Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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FollowerofShiloh said:
Are you the type of person when someone first is saved and begins the long process of becoming a new man that condemns them for each little mistake they make along their journey?

You seem very legalistic.

No one who truly follows God practices the level of legalism like you are promoting.
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Only the elect ultimately obey God's commandments. There is no other way.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Are you the type of person when someone first is saved and begins the long process of becoming a new man that condemns them for each little mistake they make along their journey?

You seem very legalistic.

No one who truly follows God practices the level of legalism like you are promoting.
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I also see this legalistic attitude. :rolleyes:
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Jesus was Crucified. There were plenty unsaved and not found in the Book of Life people who obeyed the Command and Purpose of God to kill Jesus.

Jesus didn't just use His carpenter skills and make a cross and then nailed Himself to it.
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God does not CAUSE the thoughts, but He SEES the thoughts (because ***only*** He is omniscient).

The folly of the hyper-Calvinists is that they refuse to acknowledge this fact, and give God the glory due Him.
The glory of His utterly sinless perfection, such that He can never be the author or cause of evil or sin.

The super-determinists consider God to be the author of evil, the origin of evil, which has been the accusation of Satan from the beginning of his rebellion.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Jesus was Crucified. There were plenty unsaved and not found in the Book of Life people who obeyed the Command and Purpose of God to kill Jesus.

Jesus didn't just use His carpenter skills and make a cross and then nailed Himself to it.
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The Seed of the Woman chose the seed of the serpent (Gen 3) to deliver Him.
God chose Satan to deliver God (links to Job 1:6 and Job 2:10 BTW).

With intent and purpose of course. As an illustration to the heavenly host and men the folly and inevitable defeat of powers of darkness.

Incredible man. We worship The Great God Who likewise can NEVER fail to deliver US from all sins and death.
 
selahsays said:
I also see this legalistic attitude. :rolleyes:
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Legalism is making a profound statement as if it has been set in stone.
Like saying women must not wear make-up.
Men must be clean shaven.
Only the elect ultimately obey God's commandments. There is no other way.
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These are tenets that actually are not solid facts.

So here is my post: Answering --> [based off 7 straight posts of someone saying: Only the elect ultimately obey God's commandments]
FollowerofShiloh said:
Are you the type of person when someone first is saved and begins the long process of becoming a new man that condemns them for each little mistake they make along their journey?

You seem very legalistic.

No one who truly follows God practices the level of legalism like you are promoting.
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Where am I saying something not fact while claiming it to be a tenet set in stone?
 
cv5 said:
God does not CAUSE the thoughts, but He SEES the thoughts (because ***only*** He is omniscient).

The folly of the hyper-Calvinists is that they refuse to acknowledge this fact, and give God the glory due Him.
The glory of His utterly sinless perfection, such that He can never be the author or cause of evil or sin.

The super-determinists consider God to be the author of evil, the origin of evil, which has been the accusation of Satan from the beginning of his rebellion.
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We serve the only true God who even proclaimed to know the End from the Beginning.
He already saw His Plan fulfilled before it ever happened.
 
cv5 said:
The Seed of the Woman chose the seed of the serpent (Gen 3) to deliver Him.
God chose Satan to deliver God (links to Job 1:6 and Job 2:10 BTW).

With intent and purpose of course. As an illustration to the heavenly host and men the folly and inevitable defeat of powers of darkness.

Incredible man. We worship The Great God Who likewise can NEVER fail to deliver US from all sins and death.
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Amen!
 
Magenta said:
Who did God command to kill Jesus? .:unsure:
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23 this Yeshua, given over by God’s predetermined plan and foreknowledge, nailed to the cross by the hand of lawless men, you killed.

10 Yet it pleased Adonai to bruise Him.
He caused Him to suffer.
If He makes His soul a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days,
and the will of Adonai will succeed by His hand.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
...of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.

God killed Him.
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Jesus-God killed Himself. Because of course He is utterly unkillable by any created thing.

Jhn 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Jhn 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
 
cv5 said:
Jesus-God killed Himself. Because of course He is utterly unkillable by any created thing.

Jhn 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Jhn 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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Amen!

Excellent Scripture references (y)
 
Magenta said:
Is this an admission that God did not command anyone to kill Jesus?
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Sorry, my Papa John's bacon n cheese pizza arrived mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In the Hebrew Language Prophecies many times are Commands. Here is Isaiah 53:8 which is a Prophecy of God that was fulfilled as a Command through Caiaphas.

49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was kohen gadol that year, said to them, “You know nothing!
50 You don’t take into account that it is better for you that one man die for the people rather than for the whole nation to be destroyed.”
51 Now he did not say this by himself; but as the kohen gadol that year, he prophesied that Yeshua would die for the nation.
52 And not for the nation only, but also so that He might gather together into one the scattered children of God.
53 So from that day on, they plotted to kill Him.
 
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