Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Apparently, you've confused sovereignty with something else... although what, exactly, escapes me at the moment. But I'm sure now that I won't rest until it comes to me. Solomon was sovereign in his judgment over the claim on the baby between the two women, and ultimately whom that received back her baby.
Ephesians Chapter 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, to all the saints who are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus. 2 Grace be to you, and peace from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places, in Christ: 4 As he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in his sight in charity. 5 Who hath predestinated us unto the adoption of children through Jesus Christ unto himself: according to the purpose of his will:
6 Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace, 8 Which hath superabounded in us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 That he might make known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he hath purposed in him, 10 In the dispensation of the fulness of times, to re-establish all things in Christ, that are in heaven and on earth, in him.
11 In whom we also are called by lot, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things according to the counsel of his will. 12 That we may be unto the praise of his glory, we who before hoped in Christ: 13 In whom you also, after you had heard the word of truth, (the gospel of your salvation in whom also believing, you were signed with the holy Spirit of promise, 14 Who is the pledge of our inheritance, unto the redemption of acquisition, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, hearing of your faith that is in the Lord Jesus, and of your love towards all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making commemoration of you in my prayers, 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and of revelation, in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your heart enlightened, that you may know what the hope is of the glory of his inheritance in the saints. 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power towards us, who believe according to the operation of the might of his power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, raising him up from the dead, and setting him on his right hand in the heavenly places.
21 Above all principality, and power, and virtue, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come. 22 And he hath subjected all things under his feet, and hath made him head over all the church, 23 Which is his body, and the fulness of him who is filled all in all.
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, to all the saints who are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus. 2 Grace be to you, and peace from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places, in Christ: 4 As he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in his sight in charity. 5 Who hath predestinated us unto the adoption of children through Jesus Christ unto himself: according to the purpose of his will:
6 Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace, 8 Which hath superabounded in us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 That he might make known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he hath purposed in him, 10 In the dispensation of the fulness of times, to re-establish all things in Christ, that are in heaven and on earth, in him.
11 In whom we also are called by lot, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things according to the counsel of his will. 12 That we may be unto the praise of his glory, we who before hoped in Christ: 13 In whom you also, after you had heard the word of truth, (the gospel of your salvation in whom also believing, you were signed with the holy Spirit of promise, 14 Who is the pledge of our inheritance, unto the redemption of acquisition, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, hearing of your faith that is in the Lord Jesus, and of your love towards all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making commemoration of you in my prayers, 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and of revelation, in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your heart enlightened, that you may know what the hope is of the glory of his inheritance in the saints. 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power towards us, who believe according to the operation of the might of his power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, raising him up from the dead, and setting him on his right hand in the heavenly places.
21 Above all principality, and power, and virtue, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come. 22 And he hath subjected all things under his feet, and hath made him head over all the church, 23 Which is his body, and the fulness of him who is filled all in all.
Jesus observed that, "because you claim that you see, your sins remain," and indeed, not having the humility to ask with sincere conviction, "what am I missing?" surely has something to do with this incessant disease. Rather, the pretense that, "I can't have missed anything since I've looked already" must be maintain in order to secure the working rep that has been so long in the building.
My position is that it takes an enablement from God to respond in faith. This can be easily defended by scripture.
I would also proffer that if God doesn't sovereignly enter the affairs of men, no one would be saved. This too is easily evidenced from scripture and history.
There have been huge portions and people groups who never received attention from God. The were born, lived, and died without ever hearing about Jesus. What do you make of such people?
I would also proffer that if God doesn't sovereignly enter the affairs of men, no one would be saved. This too is easily evidenced from scripture and history.
There have been huge portions and people groups who never received attention from God. The were born, lived, and died without ever hearing about Jesus. What do you make of such people?
It may not seem like it, but this is why I post Scripture in context and highlight what I see, so any can discuss it and check me. @PaulThomson and I went through this process respectfully and to some depth.
The sad fact IMView is that so few are willing to do this. Honestly, I just want to know what the Word says and means. Absurdity and eisegesis, among other things, is just not an acceptable option, unless we just desire to remain as your posted video depicts.
The sad fact IMView is that so few are willing to do this. Honestly, I just want to know what the Word says and means. Absurdity and eisegesis, among other things, is just not an acceptable option, unless we just desire to remain as your posted video depicts.
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This does not refute my assertion that God is the ultimate authority on who receives 'the baby' and who does without. The king's life is ultimately in God's hands wherever his heart might lead him. God reserves His right to influence, and how He exerts that influence is at His discretion.
re: first statement
This is addressed in my initial response.
re: second statement
Are you able to present evidence of this or is this merely hearsay?
re: first statement
This is addressed in my initial response.
re: second statement
Are you able to present evidence of this or is this merely hearsay?
On the other hand, it is written:
1 Cor 2:14
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
NIV
So, since Paul is making a contrast between the "natural" and "spiritual" man, how does this help your case that dead, God-hating people can understand spiritual truth? It's pretty obvious than no Spirit = no spiritual discernment. Even a newborn babe in Christ has sufficient understanding or discernment to believe the gospel and repent, which is far more than the 'natural man" can do. Also, it is written:
1 Peter 2:2-3
2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
NIV
Peter, evidently, believed that he wasn't addressing mature believers per se, yet they were still believers, i.e. spiritual! Of course, I do believe that it's crucially important for Christians to continue to grow and mature in the Faith no matter where we are spiritually because in one sense each of us compared to Christ are but "small children" until the consummation of our salvation. Hebrews makes this point about maturity very clear. This is God's intention for his children. If a small child failed to grow physically, emotionally and mentally, I would venture to say this would cause no small amount of disconcertment to his parents and physicians.
1 Cor 2:14
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
NIV
So, since Paul is making a contrast between the "natural" and "spiritual" man, how does this help your case that dead, God-hating people can understand spiritual truth? It's pretty obvious than no Spirit = no spiritual discernment. Even a newborn babe in Christ has sufficient understanding or discernment to believe the gospel and repent, which is far more than the 'natural man" can do. Also, it is written:
1 Peter 2:2-3
2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
NIV
Peter, evidently, believed that he wasn't addressing mature believers per se, yet they were still believers, i.e. spiritual! Of course, I do believe that it's crucially important for Christians to continue to grow and mature in the Faith no matter where we are spiritually because in one sense each of us compared to Christ are but "small children" until the consummation of our salvation. Hebrews makes this point about maturity very clear. This is God's intention for his children. If a small child failed to grow physically, emotionally and mentally, I would venture to say this would cause no small amount of disconcertment to his parents and physicians.