Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Thank you, BillyBob, my attitude is one of gratitude also, and I have said a number of times I am
grateful God was gracious enough toward me to allow me to survive the stupidity of my youth.
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed
to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the
sons of disobedience. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
4 But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when
we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6 And God raised us up with Christ
and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages He
might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift
of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life. Ephesians 2:1-10
grateful God was gracious enough toward me to allow me to survive the stupidity of my youth.
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed
to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the
sons of disobedience. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
4 But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when
we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6 And God raised us up with Christ
and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages He
might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift
of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life. Ephesians 2:1-10
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I didn't state that one very well. I guess I should learn to use the emojis more so it would have looked like this:
Double rolling eyes for emphasis.
Sure. No one rejects what they understand. Simplistic ideology not accepted.
Open Text. Prove your case with Scripture if you are able. It's pretty easy to find some to discuss.
. No one rejects what they understand. Simplistic ideology not accepted.Open Text. Prove your case with Scripture if you are able. It's pretty easy to find some to discuss.
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But there is no such animal as an autonomous free will. Not even God Almighty has such a fanciful animal! The will of man is powerless to change his essence; just as God is powerless to change his! Both scripture (Jer 13:23) and the Law of Identity support my premise.
Also, the will is moved by our desires. The will does not operate in a vacuum, apart from all the other faculties which are corrupt by sin. Your theory contradicts Paul's assertion that there is NO GOOD thing in man's flesh (sin nature, cp Rom 7:18). But your theory clearly implies that's man's will is good enough to "override the sin nature..."
Don't you know that man is in bondage to sin? What do you think the Exodus narrative is teaching? Since the ancient Hebrews were in bondage, then what makes you think the antitypes aren't in bondage as well?
Also, the will is moved by our desires. The will does not operate in a vacuum, apart from all the other faculties which are corrupt by sin. Your theory contradicts Paul's assertion that there is NO GOOD thing in man's flesh (sin nature, cp Rom 7:18). But your theory clearly implies that's man's will is good enough to "override the sin nature..."
Don't you know that man is in bondage to sin? What do you think the Exodus narrative is teaching? Since the ancient Hebrews were in bondage, then what makes you think the antitypes aren't in bondage as well?
The verses in Jeremiah 13 before 23 also shows that if God sets something in stone how can man change it.
That verse literally has no connection whatsoever to free will in accepting God.
Paul shows us in Acts 17 God made a way for man to seek God. If man should use his free will he can seek God [whether he does or not] (he still has the ability to do so). And you deny that ability when Paul shows that God gave man that ability. So once again you are making things up and spreading false truths as truths.
Not one? Really?
What do you think this verse is saying?
[1Co 2:12 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
There are others but for the sake of simplicity, for now, I'll just post this one.
Which verses explicitly state that we can hear spiritually before and without having the Holy Spirit? I'd be interested in reading them.
What do you think this verse is saying?
[1Co 2:12 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
There are others but for the sake of simplicity, for now, I'll just post this one.
Which verses explicitly state that we can hear spiritually before and without having the Holy Spirit? I'd be interested in reading them.
Dead isn't hard to understand. You don't go to the cemetery to witness. You understand it.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear. Obviously there are those who have ears that do not hear. Since nearly all possess hearing physically, there is a spiritual hearing being spoken of. Clearly not everyone has it.
God created all things in such a way as to point back to Him. This is so He could be known. He doesn't want people to perish. You He has quickened and you should be able to hear and understand. Dead in Christ is much different than dead in trespasses and sins..see Luke 16.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear. Obviously there are those who have ears that do not hear. Since nearly all possess hearing physically, there is a spiritual hearing being spoken of. Clearly not everyone has it.
God created all things in such a way as to point back to Him. This is so He could be known. He doesn't want people to perish. You He has quickened and you should be able to hear and understand. Dead in Christ is much different than dead in trespasses and sins..see Luke 16.
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I didn't introduce the term rape or kidnap. These are both terms that were used to characterize what some who hold a particular view of salvation must be claiming. The mischaracterization was done by those who employed the terms. It was their mischaracterization of what they thought others believe. It was incendiary and inappropriate and inaccurate.
You can defend those individuals and those terms if you like, but you would only be guilty of the same.
You can defend those individuals and those terms if you like, but you would only be guilty of the same.
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So, kill me. I think it a reasonable characterization of an erroneous interpretation.
Jesus called Judas "friend" and without a cynical bone in His body. Why? He knew that Judas was no friend of Him. However, the Lord is friendly in allowing others the privilege of their own opinions, even if they are erroneous and would lead them to hell. But He wasn't backward about making them aware of it.
Jesus called Judas "friend" and without a cynical bone in His body. Why? He knew that Judas was no friend of Him. However, the Lord is friendly in allowing others the privilege of their own opinions, even if they are erroneous and would lead them to hell. But He wasn't backward about making them aware of it.