One Baptism

[Cameron143]

Whether God the Father, Jesus or the Holy Spirit doing the baptism, it is strictly metaphysical.
Nothing you can point to, define or even prove.

In other words, your claim has no bearing in this discussion. No one can prove the metaphysical.

By your line of reasoning, we can disregard the biblical account of creation because it cannot be proven.
The reason we don't is because it is sufficient to faith that God has declared it in His word. Likewise, in 1 Corinthians 12:13, God declares that we are all baptized by one Spirit into one body.
No reason to dismiss this.

 

[Lamar]

By your line of reasoning, we can disregard the biblical account of creation because it cannot be proven.
The reason we don't is because it is sufficient to faith that God has declared it in His word. Likewise, in 1 Corinthians 12:13, God declares that we are all baptized by one Spirit into one body.
No reason to dismiss this.

You don't know what metaphysical means, do you?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If you are not a disciple then yes, Shilohsfoal you are not commanded to baptize.

But Paul was part of the Great Commission and he certainly was commanded and did baptize.

Here is the text:
1 Corinthians 1:17, “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.”

This is the context:
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

It does not take much to see that Paul is not degrading baptism but the foolishness of some who put value in the person doing the baptizing.

It's really that simple.

You avoided the question.

How many people have you Baptised?

 

[Burn1986]

Wow, already 7 pages. This one could go 20+ easy, especially with all these experts chiming in 😎

 

[Cameron143]

You don't know what metaphysical means, do you?

Of course I do. Notice I said following your logic, not your example. Unless you are saying you can prove that God created the universe, and all that is in it. Is this your claim?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If you are not a disciple then yes, Shilohsfoal you are not commanded to baptize.

But Paul was part of the Great Commission and he certainly was commanded and did baptize.

Here is the text:
1 Corinthians 1:17, “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.”

This is the context:
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

It does not take much to see that Paul is not degrading baptism but the foolishness of some who put value in the person doing the baptizing.

It's really that simple.

PS
The key to understanding what Paul said is these 7 words.

"Christ did not send me to baptize "



Well guess what.
"Christ did not send me to Baptise".


I stand by what I said,
Me and Paul were not sent to Baptise.

 

[Lamar]

Of course I do. Notice I said following your logic, not your example. Unless you are saying you can prove that God created the universe, and all that is in it. Is this your claim?

Again, you do not know what metaphysical means.

Derived from the Greek meta ta physika ("after the things of nature"); referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. In modern philosophical terminology, metaphysics refers to the studies of what cannot be reached through objective studies of material reality.

There is nothing metaphysical about sensing or measuring the existence of creation. The debate on who or what created the universe is not metaphysical at all.

Intelligent Design vs. evolution is not metaphysical.

 

[Lamar]

PS
The key to understanding what Paul said is these 7 words.

"Christ did not send me to baptize "



Well guess what.
"Christ did not send me to Baptise".


I stand by what I said,
Me and Paul were not sent to Baptise.

You are rather loose with context.

Actually you don't even grasp it.

 

[Cameron143]

Again, you do not know what metaphysical means.

Derived from the Greek meta ta physika ("after the things of nature"); referring to an idea, doctrine, or posited reality outside of human sense perception. In modern philosophical terminology, metaphysics refers to the studies of what cannot be reached through objective studies of material reality.

There is nothing metaphysical about sensing or measuring the existence of creation. The debate on who or what created the universe is not metaphysical at all.

Intelligent Design vs. evolution is not metaphysical.

And you don't seem to understand that I was addressing the reasoning, and not the example of your argument.
So to summarize...I do understand metaphysical despite the fact that you don't acknowledge this fact, and you still don't understand my line of reasoning.

 

[Lamar]

The reason we don't is because it is sufficient to faith that God has declared it in His word. Likewise, in 1 Corinthians 12:13, God declares that we are all baptized by one Spirit into one body.
No reason to dismiss this.

No one is dismissing baptism by one Spirit into one body.

The question is this baptism a metaphysical one or a physical one in water?

If you don't understand the meaning of metaphysical vs. physical you will not go far in this discussion.

 

[Lamar]

And you don't seem to understand that I was addressing the reasoning, and not the example of your argument.
So to summarize...I do understand metaphysical despite the fact that you don't acknowledge this fact, and you still don't understand my line of reasoning.

The original example is Holy Spirit baptism, which is metaphysical.

Your example is the biblical account of creation, which is not metaphysical.

What am I missing?

 

[Cameron143]

No one is dismissing baptism by one Spirit into one body.

The question is this baptism a metaphysical one or a physical one in water.

If you don't understand the meaning of metaphysical vs. physical you will not go far in this discussion.

That's where you continue to err. Only a metaphysical baptism can place one into Christ. Water baptism is merely an acknowledgement of the spiritual baptism. This is consistent with Romans 1 where God says the unseen things are known by that which does appear.
Seems I'm going pretty far in the discussion. Exactly how far could one go before they are considered to understand what metaphysical is?

 

[Cameron143]

The original example is Holy Spirit baptism, which is metaphysical.

Your example is the biblical account of creation, which is not metaphysical.

What am I missing?

I already acknowledged this. I referred to your line of reasoning, and not the similarity of physical and nonphysical.

 

[Beckworth]

Hello,

Ephesians 4:4-6 says there is one baptism. Paul wrote to the Ephesians in 61 to 63 AD which was about 30 years after the start of the church. Matthew 28: 19-20 tells us four things. First, Jesus tells us that we're supposed to make disciples. Second, Jesus tells us to baptize them in the name of the father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Note: Men baptized in water God baptizes in the Holy Spirit. Third, Matthew 28: 20 tells us that we are to continue to teach them. Fourth, so, discipling, baptizing, and continue to teach people was to continue to the end of the world.

So the only baptism that we can do today is baptism in water. This is further confirmed by Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, LOVE your wives, just as Christ also LOVED the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 - so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the declaration, 27 - that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

This word washing according to Strong's is a bath, which means to bathe the whole person. This refers to baptism in water as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28: 19-20. So in the book of Acts, in the nine conversions mentioned, everyone was immersed in water the same day that they believed.

I might mention also, that it says in Psalms 119: 160 that the sum of God's word is truth. Just because water is not mentioned in every baptism in the book of Acts common does not mean that it was not done in water. Also, whenever it mentions a purpose or result of being baptized it is always for something connected to Salvation. So, just because some times the purpose is not given, does not mean that it was not for the purpose of being saved.

In every other instance, when people are examining a subject in the Bible, they realize and understand that the subject they're studying may be found in many other places in God's word. If one really wanted to study this subject of Salvation he would look up every scripture that were saved common saved, or saved. And whatever the Bible said that saves us would include everything that Bible said that saves us.

Thank you very much!

Wayne

AMEN! Exactly so.

 

[Beckworth]

Do you believe baptism in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost is also valid?

Peter in Acts 2:38 did not say baptism in Jesus name ONLY. Don’t make the mistake of inserting that word only in there where it is not there. Matthew 28:18-19 does not contradict Acts 2:38. We are to add it all together. Psalm 119:160 it’s the SUM of His word that is the truth. When we are baptized in the name of the Father, SON, and Holy Ghist we are baptized in the name of Jesus. No contradiction. Satan will seek to lie, misrepresent and confuse you if you let Him. Remember scripture does not contradict scripture. If it did we could not have confidence that it is inspired from God.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You are rather loose with context.

Actually you don't even grasp it.

I have no problem understanding these 7 simple words that a child could understand.

"Christ did not send me to baptize "


Obviously,you can't.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You are rather loose with context.

Actually you don't even grasp it.

Since you claim.Christ personally commanded you to go all.over the world baptising people.

How many people have you Baptised?

 

[Burn1986]

There’s a lot of love on the forum today 😏

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There’s a lot of love on the forum today 😏

People speak what they know .
Some people know the holy Ghost baptism.Others know water baptism.

Them that have received water baptism believe in water baptism.
Them that have recieved holy spirit baptism believe in holy spirit baptism.


John 13:8
“No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”

"Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”

 

[Wansvic]

Peter in Acts 2:38 did not say baptism in Jesus name ONLY. Don’t make the mistake of inserting that word only in there where it is not there. Matthew 28:18-19 does not contradict Acts 2:38. We are to add it all together. Psalm 119:160 it’s the SUM of His word that is the truth. When we are baptized in the name of the Father, SON, and Holy Ghist we are baptized in the name of Jesus. No contradiction. Satan will seek to lie, misrepresent and confuse you if you let Him. Remember scripture does not contradict scripture. If it did we could not have confidence that it is inspired from God.

It is true that scripture does not contradict itself. What many fail to see is Jesus gave His apostles a command in Matthew 28:19. The apostles were not to repeat the command but rather obey the command. This is why there is no record of the apostles using the phrase. They consistently invoked the name of Jesus in water baptism in obedience to Jesus' command. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

Those who repeat the command are not obeying Jesus. They are actually following a tradition begun by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church begun in 325 A.D. Please don't just accept my word for it. Church history encyclopedias reveal this to be true.