One Baptism

[homwardbound]

I am surprised when people reject teachings that came directly from Jesus, Himself. It was He who revealed more is required than belief alone. And that there is a foundation that must be laid upon Him.


I've provided the scriptures below, in the event you are not familiar with what they say:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven...
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matthew 7:21-27


The account in Luke provides more detail regarding what Jesus said, "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation ON a rock: (the rock being Jesus)
and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:47-49

So true, I believe God and am free with Father and Son as you just quoted scripture, I do not see to ever take this grace given for granted. I am hearing that be what you are thinking. however, Believe God, receive from God and be new in God's love and mercy through the Resurrected Son that took away sin first in his one time death alone
Thank you

 

[Wansvic]

I suppose that you don't believe Jesus yourself.

You preach that everyone who is not water Baptised remains in their sin when Jesus only said your sins are forgiven without water baptising anyone.This woman was not saved by water baptism.

Luke 7
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.

 

[homwardbound]

I suppose that you don't believe Jesus yourself.

You preach that everyone who is not water Baptised remains in their sin when Jesus only said your sins are forgiven without water baptising anyone.This woman was not saved by water baptism.

Luke 7
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

In agreement to what is done form us all by Son to us all as predicted by the Prophets, first and now Hebrews 1 stands out to me.
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Oh, I know, I must to be sure, I choose to be sacrificed of self efforts as now am forgiven, reconciled to YouGod, through Son as my only mediator to you. Thank You Father and Son as Won, (One)
It is after the cross in his resurrection, that people get saved, not ever in any work to do as thought to have todo or else attitudes, Thank You Lord, I believe you, in taking away the sin of the world (John 1:29)for me at the cross, includes everyone (Hebrews 10:10). I believe you raised Son back to life as proof to those that got him killed along with the disciples, who saw him alive after death first (Col 2). Saw this truth, Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7. I trust you to reveal all truth in your love and mercy to me about Son for me to walk new in his done work, and love all as is done by Son first for us to stand in, thanksgiving and praise with all sin taken away as far as the east is from the west. not any of my own or anyone else's, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.

is that what water Baptism was for, remission of sin? Is that what John the Baptist's job was? What was John the Baptist's job?
Dis Jesus need to get any forgiveness, reconciliation or have to begotten any remission of any sin?

What did John Baptize with?
What does Jesus Baptize with?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.

You claim to be sent by Jesus to Baptise in water ,(per the word).

How many people have you Baptised in water since Jesus sent you?

 

[homwardbound]

You claim to be sent by Jesus to Baptise in water ,(per the word).

How many people have you Baptised in water since Jesus sent you?

Under Law, under a curse, which be the first flesh born, in need to be born again in God's Spirit and Truth in the risen Son over the dead one, as not one person but Son ever fulfilled the Law and Prophets ever
As said at the water Baptism, John refused at first to do it. Where Jesus said he is to do all that is right under Law, perfectly. And Jesus was not of Levi Tribe either. Baptized in by John the Baptist, Levite Priest. Wow!!!!!!!!!!
So John Baptized saw his Cousin Jesus coming, as he did not know who the Messiah was until John, saw him come to be baptized by him. John's job was to Water Baptize Jesus as the "High Priest" that takes away the sin of the world, in his Father's sight for us the people to beleive it and be made new in it. Born again! Wow, seeing Isaiah 6:1-7 fulfilled
John's Job was over, when announced Christ the Messiah was here then on earth for the Israelites only at ftime. Then, this passed onto the Gentiles too, without Law to be given it, as Peter saw it in Acts, with the house of Cornelius. Yet man has to intervene in God's down work for them to rest in, as man will not rest, unfortunately. read all of Chapter 4, keeping it all in context, actually start at Chapter 1 of Hebrews will we? I hope so, thanks

Hebrews 4:9-13

Authorized (King James) Version

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

 

[timemeddler]

more water baptism debate, while I'm not dumb enough to risk being wrong personally, I don't think it's a no exceptions policy, much of the writings about water baptism seem to go on the premise that water is available, the ethopian eunich for example. I don't think death bed cases are in any danger of hell, otherwise the bible would say something about it directly. “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” Get baptised as soon as you can, but don't assume because of circumstances beyond you control that if you can't, you're not saved.

 

[Beckworth]

Since you claim.Christ personally commanded you to go all.over the world baptising people.

How many people have you Baptised?

John 4:1-2 says that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John; then in parentheses it says. “ though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples. In the same sense, Christians who lead others to Christ by living a godly life, or inviting them to church, or raising children who become Christians, are making disciples—just like Jesus said in the “great commission. They don’t have to do the actual baptizing. It’s not the one doing the baptizing that’s important. It’s the one making disciples and leading people to Christ. They, in the same sense as Jesus in John 4, are “baptizing people.”

 

[Beckworth]

more water baptism debate, while I'm not dumb enough to risk being wrong personally, I don't think it's a no exceptions policy, much of the writings about water baptism seem to go on the premise that water is available, the ethopian eunich for example. I don't think death bed cases are in any danger of hell, otherwise the bible would say something about it directly. “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” Get baptised as soon as you can, but don't assume because of circumstances beyond you control that if you can't, you're not saved.

I would not want to gamble my soul’s eternal home on that!! God said “your ways are not MY ways.” Most people, especially in America, have Plenty of opportunities all their life to be baptized. If they wait until it’s too late— that is not God’s fault and He is perfectly just in sending them to hell. It’s going to be too late sooner or later for a LOT of people.
Another thing to remember is that God can read thoughts and hearts. We cannot. He knows who needs more time and who does not. And we know he is patient and long suffering. But not forever. I would not encourage people to wait until it’s too late and then expect God to make an exception just for them!

 

[homwardbound]

John 4:1-2 says that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John; then in parentheses it says. “ though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples. In the same sense, Christians who lead others to Christ by living a godly life, or inviting them to church, or raising children who become Christians, are making disciples—just like Jesus said in the “great commission. They don’t have to do the actual baptizing. It’s not the one doing the baptizing that’s important. It’s the one making disciples and leading people to Christ. They, in the same sense as Jesus in John 4, are “baptizing people.”

I would not want to gamble my soul’s eternal home on that!! God said “your ways are not MY ways.” Most people, especially in America, have Plenty of opportunities all their life to be baptized. If they wait until it’s too late— that is not God’s fault and He is perfectly just in sending them to hell. It’s going to be too late sooner or later for a LOT of people.
Another thing to remember is that God can read thoughts and hearts. We cannot. He knows who needs more time and who does not. And we know he is patient and long suffering. But not forever. I would not encourage people to wait until it’s too late and then expect God to make an exception just for them!

Tell me, what saves, or better who saves? Is it water, and Spirit, only water , only Spirit? Or simply God the Father of the risen Son for us?
Once given new life by God for each person, will not each person do as Called to do as God has called them to do over any building, called Church?
Just asking, since the true Church is the one God built and not man. Born again by God, living in the people that believe and will not quit belief, God knowing who is who and what is what.. These, having God's love, love all in the same mercy and love given them by Son on that cross in reconciliation, to me at least
We are forgiven and all remain forgiven by God in Son for us. that is done for all time, the cross will never be done again. God is now waiting for the next person to go to God and say thank you, I am forgiven by you. Please teach me new as I stand in trust to you to do through me, what I know I can't do, since I have tried, Anyone else tired and ashamed and feel condemned?

I asked God, am I better than others, anyone? The answer below to be humble in trust to God what is done by Son, this is done once for us all (Hebrews 10:10) Water Baptism is after belief Jesus is risen for them, these trust Father to install in them 1 Cor 13:4-7, which only Father can do, hope you got/get this truth.

Water baptism is good, yet when, Peter saw the house of Cornelius get the Spirit of God given them without water Baptism. He was amazed and perplexed and even told the other disciples of this occurrence. And encouraged them to get water baptized, after saved.
Which he got flogged over it by the other disciples. They could not believe it, yet heard it as Peter saw it. (Acts 10-11)
tradition, rituals is not what it is all about. Then Saul who became Paul took the call to go to the Gentiles, without Law, Since Peter kept riding the fence and wanted to be liked, as told about, in Galatians about his removing himself from the gentiles, when James and others were coming to spy out this liberty.
We as Believers, (Christians need to grow up, you think, (Hebrews 5:12-6:6)


New Living Translation

Parable of the Pharisee and Tax Collector
9 Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: 10 “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector.11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer[a]: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector!12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ 14 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

You see, I see to be in humility, I do not deserve to have got new life in the risen Christ, and no one else does either. This new life is a gift, not of any work man/woman can do ever. It is done for us all in Son to turn to God Father in belief and thankfulness
(Psalm 100:4, 103:12)
then the walk of love and mercy to all will permeate through you too, not that I got it, only God has got it thanks

 

[timemeddler]

I would not want to gamble my soul’s eternal home on that!! God said “your ways are not MY ways.” Most people, especially in America, have Plenty of opportunities all their life to be baptized. If they wait until it’s too late— that is not God’s fault and He is perfectly just in sending them to hell. It’s going to be too late sooner or later for a LOT of people.
Another thing to remember is that God can read thoughts and hearts. We cannot. He knows who needs more time and who does not. And we know he is patient and long suffering. But not forever. I would not encourage people to wait until it’s too late and then expect God to make an exception just for them!

isn't that what I said?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

John 4:1-2 says that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John; then in parentheses it says. “ though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples. In the same sense, Christians who lead others to Christ by living a godly life, or inviting them to church, or raising children who become Christians, are making disciples—just like Jesus said in the “great commission. They don’t have to do the actual baptizing. It’s not the one doing the baptizing that’s important. It’s the one making disciples and leading people to Christ. They, in the same sense as Jesus in John 4, are “baptizing people.”

So you have not Baptised anyone?