Well it does, what He did for them He died for will bring them to follow Him as they are His Sheep, so its guaranteed.
Well it does, what He did for them He died for will bring them to follow Him as they are His Sheep, so its guaranteed.
Right and John Calvin also drowned people in the sea for disagreeing with him. This isn't really a conversation. Based on the topic, this is a conversation based on what the community here, what the majority of the community here believes, and it seems like every time it's about tulip or it's about grace, it's about specific dogmas, and I'm not a presbyterian, okay, I. Don't believe in a lot of this nonsense. So obviously I'm not gonna fit in with this community. I'll look elsewhere.Well it does, what He did for them He died for will bring them to follow Him as they are His Sheep, so its guaranteed.
Im talking about what Christ has done, you are focusing on man and not Christ. What about Christs faith and accomplishment ?And what i'm trying to point out is That your faith is dead without works. So therefore, part of that is how you respond.
Im finished with you, your focus is on men and not the accomplishment of Christ. see yaRight and John Calvin also drowned people in the sea for disagreeing with him. This isn't really a conversation. Based on the topic, this is a conversation based on what the community here, what the majority of the community here believes, and it seems like every time it's about tulip or it's about grace, it's about specific dogmas, and I'm not a presbyterian, okay, I. Don't believe in a lot of this nonsense. So obviously I'm not gonna fit in with this community. I'll look elsewhere.
That wasn't specified in the topic. Just as john says if you say your a child of light but walk in darkness then your a liar. So our response to how god is working in our life is just as important. Jesus says if you love me then do what I tell you. He didn't say if your the chosen elect then enjoy the ride. Repentance, loving your enemies, and denying ourselves, are all proper responses for gods grace working in our life. Without our cooperation our faith is useless.Im talking about what Christ has done, you are focusing on man and not Christ. What about Christs faith and accomplishment ?
And this is the fruit of John Calvin and the reformers everyone.This is the fruit that they offer. To cut people off and kill them because they have a disagreement about a theology that's not even essential to their salvation and relationship with God.Yeah , you're right , we are done. I won't be back to this siteIm finished with you, your focus is on men and not the accomplishment of Christ. see ya
sigh ... brightfame52, we've gone over this verse numerous times.Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
another instance of brightfame52 ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it.brightfame52 said:Israel here is His Chosen People from amongst all peoples and ethnicities. Thats why its stated that He has granted repentance to the gentiles Acts 11:18
2 Peter 1:1-4 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.brightfame52 said:Then also it provides or gives Faith by Christ being a Saviour 2 Pet 1:1
Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...all sinners He died for
The Lord Jesus Christ taketh away the sin of the world (John 1:29) and the Lord Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2).brightfame52 said:Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
This scripture proves that those Christ died for have had their sins purged .
read John 8:24 again, brightfame52 ... and especially the words "if ye believe not":brightfame52 said:This automatically means they can never die in their sins as those in Jn 8:24 ! To die in their sins means they are guilty of them before Gods Law and Justice
in order to comprehend what is written in verse 28, you need to include (at the very least) verse 27, brightfame52:brightfame52 said:Matt 26:28
For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.brightfame52 said:Rev 21:8
Gal 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:
They were delivered from the curse of the law, simply by Christ being made a curse for them, again referring to His death alone !
again ... ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation of Scripture.1 Thess 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
go back and read the whole chapter, brightfame52 ... then you will understand that verse 30 relates to those who ...brightfame52 said:Job 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Hebrews 9:Heb 9:26
No you're not.Im talking about what Christ has done
Hi Nufan … hopefully you're not leaving the site ... christianchat.com ... and, again hopefully, you're just referring to this thread in which brightfame52 is not engaging in meaningful dialogue but is submitting posts which align with his dogma.And this is the fruit of John Calvin and the reformers everyone.This is the fruit that they offer. To cut people off and kill them because they have a disagreement about a theology that's not even essential to their salvation and relationship with God.Yeah , you're right , we are done. I won't be back to this site
Hebrews 10:Heb 10:5-10
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified [Greek = hagiazó] through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.brightfame52 said:The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.
I appreciate the response and for you being understanding of the situation. It's been a long time since I've been on the site. And the thing is that if people are gonna expect open dialogue, then they need to stop trying to push their view and insist that people come into alignment with their perspective on things before a conversation can happen, or else you're really going to limit how many people are gonna be able to come here and have a discussion. I don't feel that I was met with an environment that wants to hear my view. Or is allowing me the space to share my view. So therefore, why would I stay and share my view? Especially sends so much shade and judgment. And rocks were thrown in my direction. For I feel everything I had to say was justified. You know, when people are just sitting around theorizing about the love of God but then they sit there and they judge everyone else that they don't feel in alignment with god's truth then you end up running into problems. So therefore, I'll revalidate my contribution to the conversation. If you're going to believe, then you must also respond to validate that belief. Or else it is a dead belief with followers of a dying faith. I don't believe that what I shared was off topic since the topic itself requires a response from the person receiving. Also the topic didn't specify that it couldn't include my relationship with the topic If they wanted it to be Christ focused then they should have said that from the beginning. But I really don't see how anything could be Christ focused if we're not included in it, otherwise again it's dead. Everything that Christ did is dead if you're not included in it.Hi Nufan … hopefully you're not leaving the site ... christianchat.com ... and, again hopefully, you're just referring to this thread in which brightfame52 is not engaging in meaningful dialogue but is submitting posts which align with his dogma.
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I enjoy open discussion. None of us knows all of God's Word and we can all learn from one another. All born again ones are members in particular in the body of Christ and each member is vital. 1 Cor 12 explains this truth very well. One of the verses in the section states That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another (1 Cor 12:25). This verse is right after a couple of verses that state one member can't say to another member "I have no need of you" (1 Cor 12:21).I appreciate the response and for you being understanding of the situation. It's been a long time since I've been on the site. And the thing is that if people are gonna expect open dialogue, then they need to stop trying to push their view and insist that people come into alignment with their perspective on things before a conversation can happen, or else you're really going to limit how many people are gonna be able to come here and have a discussion.
we're all in various stages in our walk with the Lord. You know more than me in some areas ... I know more than you in other areas ... our discussion takes place from our keyboards rather than face-to-face (which adds a certain complexity in discussing).Nufan said:I don't feel that I was met with an environment that wants to hear my view. Or is allowing me the space to share my view. So therefore, why would I stay and share my view? Especially sends so much shade and judgment. And rocks were thrown in my direction. For I feel everything I had to say was justified. You know, when people are just sitting around theorizing about the love of God but then they sit there and they judge everyone else that they don't feel in alignment with god's truth then you end up running into problems.
are you referring to James 2?Nufan said:So therefore, I'll revalidate my contribution to the conversation. If you're going to believe, then you must also respond to validate that belief. Or else it is a dead belief with followers of a dying faith.
I believe that everything Christ did was to the glory of God ... even if no one believed.Nufan said:I don't believe that what I shared was off topic since the topic itself requires a response from the person receiving. Also the topic didn't specify that it couldn't include my relationship with the topic If they wanted it to be Christ focused then they should have said that from the beginning. But I really don't see how anything could be Christ focused if we're not included in it, otherwise again it's dead. Everything that Christ did is dead if you're not included in it.
Well, thanks for that. I just noticed that all the nasty responses I got were from bright flame. That guy he's worse than the pharisees. He doesn't deserve to call himself Christian, we would have more devout Christians in this world today if he renounced his Christianity, there is nothing lovely, and nothing Praiseworthy coming from that man or woman, whoever it is. It's not gods love. You should be ashamed of yourself bright flame. As for the atonement Through Christ, death and resurrection he.I enjoy open discussion. None of us knows all of God's Word and we can all learn from one another. All born again ones are members in particular in the body of Christ and each member is vital. 1 Cor 12 explains this truth very well. One of the verses in the section states That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another (1 Cor 12:25). This verse is right after a couple of verses that state one member can't say to another member "I have no need of you" (1 Cor 12:21).
we're all in various stages in our walk with the Lord. You know more than me in some areas ... I know more than you in other areas ... our discussion takes place from our keyboards rather than face-to-face (which adds a certain complexity in discussing).
we don't all know everything from Genesis to Revelation ... it's good to discuss Scripture without the name calling or insinuating that someone is not a believer when that someone states exactly what God's Word says concerning the Lord Jesus Christ.
are you referring to James 2?
James 2:
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I believe that everything Christ did was to the glory of God ... even if no one believed.
I'm thankful to God that He loved us enough to provide salvation ... that He continues to love us in spite of our foolishness ... that He will continue to love us in eternity when we are fully perfected and conformed to the image of His Son.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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I would give this 5 thumbs up if I could you're spot on and yes, part of what I was referring to is in James. I apologize for not leaving the references. I apologize for the bad grammar and punctuation. And miss types, I'm at work at the moment. There's actually quite a few places in the Bible as well as Paul who makes it very clear that we can't just go on our faith alone. There's other things that need to come into play for us to continue to grow in faith. Now , here are some examples that Go into detail about the atonement. Keep in mind the part that's talking about us being gods. It's referring to us becoming one with Christ divine nature. It's not saying that we are God's little g apart from god. Christ invites us to become one with his divinity. Through Jesus Christ And God's grace. In the faith, there's a few terms for such as theosis, another word for this is deification. Then lastly, there's also another practice that goes hand-in-hand with this and it's called mortification of the flesh, which is denying ourselves. Jesus commands that we deny ourselves, we pick up our cross, and we follow him, if we're gonna be his disciple. To become his disciples is to go through the process of deification, which is to become God little G as one with Christ divinity, and that is accomplished through the atonement.These are terms that were lost in protestantism but it very much ties into the atonement.I enjoy open discussion. None of us knows all of God's Word and we can all learn from one another. All born again ones are members in particular in the body of Christ and each member is vital. 1 Cor 12 explains this truth very well. One of the verses in the section states That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another (1 Cor 12:25). This verse is right after a couple of verses that state one member can't say to another member "I have no need of you" (1 Cor 12:21).
we're all in various stages in our walk with the Lord. You know more than me in some areas ... I know more than you in other areas ... our discussion takes place from our keyboards rather than face-to-face (which adds a certain complexity in discussing).
we don't all know everything from Genesis to Revelation ... it's good to discuss Scripture without the name calling or insinuating that someone is not a believer when that someone states exactly what God's Word says concerning the Lord Jesus Christ.
are you referring to James 2?
James 2:
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I believe that everything Christ did was to the glory of God ... even if no one believed.
I'm thankful to God that He loved us enough to provide salvation ... that He continues to love us in spite of our foolishness ... that He will continue to love us in eternity when we are fully perfected and conformed to the image of His Son.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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