The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... you do not understand what is written in Romans 5:19 ...
you do not understand what is written in Romans 2:13 ...
you rip Rom 5:19 and Rom 2:13 from the context in which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error ...
Learn what God wants you to know from Romans 2:13 ... learn what God wants you to know from Romans 5:19 ... Read each verse in the context in which God has placed the verse and quit rearranging what God has written. you are so utterly careless with the truth of God's Word ...
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... you do not understand what is written in Romans 5:19 ...you do not understand what is written in Romans 2:13 ...
you rip Rom 5:19 and Rom 2:13 from the context in which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error ...
Learn what God wants you to know from Romans 2:13 ... learn what God wants you to know from Romans 5:19 ... Read each verse in the context in which God has placed the verse and quit rearranging what God has written. you are so utterly careless with the truth of God's Word ...
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Read Acts 9 ... the whole chapter if you can tolerate reading more than one verse here or there from Scripture ...
Acts 9:1-9 tells of the Lord Jesus Christ confronting Saul on his way to Damascus.
Now read the next verses:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel
That was Paul's calling ... Paul was a chosen vessel ... to bear [His] name before the gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel..
Paul was faithful to his calling from the time he was born again until the time he died.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you know the verses ... now try believing the verses and pray to God that He would open your eyes to the marvelous truth that the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was/is/continues to be sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind ... from Adam to present day ... to future ... and in eternity, we will all fall down before Him ... believers will cast our crowns at His feet ...
so sad you do not believe the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient ... smh
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Acts 9:1-9 tells of the Lord Jesus Christ confronting Saul on his way to Damascus.
Now read the next verses:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel
That was Paul's calling ... Paul was a chosen vessel ... to bear [His] name before the gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel..
Paul was faithful to his calling from the time he was born again until the time he died.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you know the verses ... now try believing the verses and pray to God that He would open your eyes to the marvelous truth that the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was/is/continues to be sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind ... from Adam to present day ... to future ... and in eternity, we will all fall down before Him ... believers will cast our crowns at His feet ...
so sad you do not believe the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient ... smh
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ripping Romans 4:25 from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation of Scripture:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness]was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus
... the Lord Jesus Christ would have risen from the dead even if no one believed ... it was not possible for death to hold Him. I have explained this truth to you many times, brightfame52.
Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Absolutely no descendant of Adam is "born Justified". You believe another gospel:
Galatians 1:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness]was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus
... the Lord Jesus Christ would have risen from the dead even if no one believed ... it was not possible for death to hold Him. I have explained this truth to you many times, brightfame52.Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Absolutely no descendant of Adam is "born Justified". You believe another gospel:
Galatians 1:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Read Acts 9 ... the whole chapter if you can tolerate reading more than one verse here or there from Scripture ...
Acts 9:1-9 tells of the Lord Jesus Christ confronting Saul on his way to Damascus.
Now read the next verses:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel
That was Paul's calling ... Paul was a chosen vessel ... to bear [His] name before the gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel..
Paul was faithful to his calling from the time he was born again until the time he died.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you know the verses ... now try believing the verses and pray to God that He would open your eyes to the marvelous truth that the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was/is/continues to be sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind ... from Adam to present day ... to future ... and in eternity, we will all fall down before Him ... believers will cast our crowns at His feet ...
so sad you do not believe the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient ... smh
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Acts 9:1-9 tells of the Lord Jesus Christ confronting Saul on his way to Damascus.
Now read the next verses:
Acts 9:
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel
That was Paul's calling ... Paul was a chosen vessel ... to bear [His] name before the gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel..
Paul was faithful to his calling from the time he was born again until the time he died.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you know the verses ... now try believing the verses and pray to God that He would open your eyes to the marvelous truth that the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was/is/continues to be sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind ... from Adam to present day ... to future ... and in eternity, we will all fall down before Him ... believers will cast our crowns at His feet ...
so sad you do not believe the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient ... smh
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10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
The accomplishments of Christ death !3
It gives the both Faith and Repentance, Jesus as a Saviour gives Repentance Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Israel here is His Chosen People from amongst all peoples and ethnicities. Thats why its stated that He has granted repentance to the gentiles Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Then also it provides or gives Faith by Christ being a Saviour 2 Pet 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
These things are accomplishments through the Work of Christ for all whom He died ! Else He wasn't their Saviour ! 57
It gives the both Faith and Repentance, Jesus as a Saviour gives Repentance Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Israel here is His Chosen People from amongst all peoples and ethnicities. Thats why its stated that He has granted repentance to the gentiles Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Then also it provides or gives Faith by Christ being a Saviour 2 Pet 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
These things are accomplishments through the Work of Christ for all whom He died ! Else He wasn't their Saviour ! 57
4 Things every sinner Christ died for are delivered from !
In spite of the adversaries of truth, who would deprive Christ of His Glory for what He accomplished for chosen sinners, solely by His death alone, we have at least 4 things all sinners He died for are delivered from forever !
#1. All sinners Christ died for are delivered from the guilt and penalty of sin before God by His death alone ! Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
This scripture proves that those Christ died for have had their sins purged . Now the word purged in the greek is katharismos and means:
cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.
purification, which results from God removing undesirable admixtures (eliminating impurities)
a cleansing from the guilt of sins by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
This is a deliverance from the guilt of their sins ! This automatically means they can never die in their sins as those in Jn 8:24 ! To die in their sins means they are guilty of them before Gods Law and Justice, which cannot be the case for them Christ died for and provided before Gods Law and Justice, purification of their sins !
And consequently, wheres theres no guilt for sin, there can be no penalty for the same !
Now those Christ died for, He shed His blood for Matt 26:28
For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The shedding of His Blood provided before Gods law and Justice, the remission of sins for the many. The word remission, the greek word aphesis means:
deliverance, pardon, complete forgiveness ,a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.
859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt.
remission of their penalty:
Which penalty is death Rom 6:23 ! So for instance, those we read about here Rev 21:8
but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
None of these sinners can be sinners Christ died for because He had delivered them through His Blood from the penalty of sin, which is death ! This also proves limited atonement, for if Christ had died for any of these that shall have part of the second death, it makes His Blood a Lie, His death a lie !
In spite of the adversaries of truth, who would deprive Christ of His Glory for what He accomplished for chosen sinners, solely by His death alone, we have at least 4 things all sinners He died for are delivered from forever !
#1. All sinners Christ died for are delivered from the guilt and penalty of sin before God by His death alone ! Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
This scripture proves that those Christ died for have had their sins purged . Now the word purged in the greek is katharismos and means:
cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.
purification, which results from God removing undesirable admixtures (eliminating impurities)
a cleansing from the guilt of sins by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
This is a deliverance from the guilt of their sins ! This automatically means they can never die in their sins as those in Jn 8:24 ! To die in their sins means they are guilty of them before Gods Law and Justice, which cannot be the case for them Christ died for and provided before Gods Law and Justice, purification of their sins !
And consequently, wheres theres no guilt for sin, there can be no penalty for the same !
Now those Christ died for, He shed His blood for Matt 26:28
For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The shedding of His Blood provided before Gods law and Justice, the remission of sins for the many. The word remission, the greek word aphesis means:
deliverance, pardon, complete forgiveness ,a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.
859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt.
remission of their penalty:
Which penalty is death Rom 6:23 ! So for instance, those we read about here Rev 21:8
but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
None of these sinners can be sinners Christ died for because He had delivered them through His Blood from the penalty of sin, which is death ! This also proves limited atonement, for if Christ had died for any of these that shall have part of the second death, it makes His Blood a Lie, His death a lie !
4 Things every sinner Christ died for are delivered from !
#2 Those Christ died for were solely by His death delivered from the curse and damnation and damnation of the Law Gal 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:
They were delivered from the curse of the law, simply by Christ being made a curse for them, again referring to His death alone ! 57
#2 Those Christ died for were solely by His death delivered from the curse and damnation and damnation of the Law Gal 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:
They were delivered from the curse of the law, simply by Christ being made a curse for them, again referring to His death alone ! 57
4 Things every sinner Christ died for are delivered from !
#3. The third thing the death of Christ alone delivered them He died for from, the Wrath of God !
1 Thess 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
His being raised from the dead, after having dying for our sins, signaled our being delivered from the wrath to come. Thats the day of wrath which is meant here Rev 6:16-17
and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Job 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Those of us He died for shall be saved from wrath Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
#3. The third thing the death of Christ alone delivered them He died for from, the Wrath of God !
1 Thess 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
His being raised from the dead, after having dying for our sins, signaled our being delivered from the wrath to come. Thats the day of wrath which is meant here Rev 6:16-17
and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Job 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Those of us He died for shall be saved from wrath Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
4 Things every sinner Christ died for are delivered from !
#4.The fourth thing the death of Christ alone delivered those He died for from is death, and that means death in all of its meanings found in the scripture. However one aspect of death God has permitted for a while according to His purpose, and that is physical death, but yet for the saints, them Christ died for, even it has been become a blessing, for unto them, as Paul once wrote, absent from the body, via physical death is to be present with the Lord 2 Cor 5:6,8
Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord
Paul calls it gain Phil 1:21
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
However theres a time coming , maybe sooner than later now, when even physical death shall come to nought, and some for whom Christ died shall not experience it, it is that Mystery Paul writes of here 1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Let me tell you a secret. Not all of us will die, but all of us will be changed— ISV
However Christ for them He died did abolish death 2 Tim 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Understand something, Jesus is not your Saviour if He did not for you abolish death ! He appeared once for them He saved to put away sin for them Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And consequently, by putting away sin, He put away the consequences of sin, death, for death is but the wages of sin Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And this by His death alone, He delivered us He died for from death !
#4.The fourth thing the death of Christ alone delivered those He died for from is death, and that means death in all of its meanings found in the scripture. However one aspect of death God has permitted for a while according to His purpose, and that is physical death, but yet for the saints, them Christ died for, even it has been become a blessing, for unto them, as Paul once wrote, absent from the body, via physical death is to be present with the Lord 2 Cor 5:6,8
Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord
Paul calls it gain Phil 1:21
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
However theres a time coming , maybe sooner than later now, when even physical death shall come to nought, and some for whom Christ died shall not experience it, it is that Mystery Paul writes of here 1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Let me tell you a secret. Not all of us will die, but all of us will be changed— ISV
However Christ for them He died did abolish death 2 Tim 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Understand something, Jesus is not your Saviour if He did not for you abolish death ! He appeared once for them He saved to put away sin for them Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And consequently, by putting away sin, He put away the consequences of sin, death, for death is but the wages of sin Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And this by His death alone, He delivered us He died for from death !
I wasn't aware that I was jumping in the middle of a reformed debate.
I'm not sure if you guys would like my view on a lot of what's being spoken of here. But my little bit of insight is that if you're going to focus on God's grace through repentance and believing in christ, you should also take into consideration what it actually means to believe.
Does belief require a response? or does belief require submission? does belief require obedience? Does believe require denying ourselves? Does believe require as following christ? What does belief actually require? Cause I believe that it's quite easy to see that the gospel of John is about gods love and grace. If you also take into consideration 1 John, and then take that and run it alongside revelation. All 3 come from the same author. What is apostle John trying to tell us? I believe there's a little bit more we can unpack here. Also when it comes to through his wounds we are healed. I believe Christ is present even when we're being impure or rebellious. Whatever it is we're dealing with, God is present. He sees it going on, and I believe it's when we have that relationship with him, and we realize that we're wounding Jesus through our impurity, then there should be a conviction that comes over you. That causes you to refocus on being in alignment with purity. Knowing that Jesus is present and watching when we're rebellious and impure. It's like another lash it's another wound that's inflicted by our own hand. But because Jesus loves us he remains by our side. He remains watchful and he's looking for an opportunity to draw us deeper into that loving relationship with him.
I'm not sure if you guys would like my view on a lot of what's being spoken of here. But my little bit of insight is that if you're going to focus on God's grace through repentance and believing in christ, you should also take into consideration what it actually means to believe.
Does belief require a response? or does belief require submission? does belief require obedience? Does believe require denying ourselves? Does believe require as following christ? What does belief actually require? Cause I believe that it's quite easy to see that the gospel of John is about gods love and grace. If you also take into consideration 1 John, and then take that and run it alongside revelation. All 3 come from the same author. What is apostle John trying to tell us? I believe there's a little bit more we can unpack here. Also when it comes to through his wounds we are healed. I believe Christ is present even when we're being impure or rebellious. Whatever it is we're dealing with, God is present. He sees it going on, and I believe it's when we have that relationship with him, and we realize that we're wounding Jesus through our impurity, then there should be a conviction that comes over you. That causes you to refocus on being in alignment with purity. Knowing that Jesus is present and watching when we're rebellious and impure. It's like another lash it's another wound that's inflicted by our own hand. But because Jesus loves us he remains by our side. He remains watchful and he's looking for an opportunity to draw us deeper into that loving relationship with him.