How do you get saved?

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Wansvic

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so if they didn’t continue they went to Hell? If we dont continue we go to Hell? If we’re on our death bed and we have a bad thought or accidentally say something short tempered we go to Hell? If the thief on the cross did this then He went to Hell?
Jesus said all will be judged by the word.
 

Wansvic

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Wow, that’s reaching. What about when Jesus told the disciples their names were written in the Book of Life. So if a person over in the jungle gets saved and dies before baptism, they go to Hell? Anyone who isn’t water baptized goes to Hell? What about someone who dies not confess Jesus but is water baptized? Either way I guess, if they don’t consult you guys, then they go to Hell, why don’t you post how many ways a person can go to Hell when they’ve supposedly done Romans 10:9-10.
Someone mentioned Ps 119:160 in this thread. And it certainly applies to all situations: "The sum of Your word is truth [the total of the full meaning of all Your individual precepts]; and every one of Your righteous decrees endures forever. " AMP

Romans 10 was addressed to those who were already Christians. Confessing Jesus is a requirement for all born again Christians. Note, Paul also said we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. This indicates believing in Jesus involves much more than a mentally acknowledging the fact.
 

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@Wansvic @Lamar Both of you have alluded that:
-if any person who prays anything close to the EXAMPLE I listed would go to Hell.
- If any person is not FULLY immersed in water would go to Hell.
- Romans 10:13 is a lie.

Please fill us in on exactly how a person gets saved. Keep in mind what you stated, indicating there is no other way, according to you.
The Bible fills us in. The sum of God's word is truth.

The Apostle Peter full of the Holy Ghost shared the truth about Jesus and told everyone who believed to "...repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2

Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 11:13-14
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 

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Okay, yes, as it has gone forward ever since, people to beleive God in Son for them, between God and them. To get water Baptized today, is a good conscience towards God. Not to get to be a member of Church(s) made by man as a building after AD 70, when not one stone was left upon another as predicted by Jesus to us the people.
I am elated, you believe God in resurrected Son John, Yashua Ha'Masiach Jesus the Christ. I desire for all to be given the new life in God's Spirit and Truth, Rauch Ha'Kodesh The Holy Spirit of God Father and Son as won for us all to beleive and stick to it to grow up into Maturity

Hebrews 5:12-6

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12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Glad you on the path to know the truth, the truth that sets us free in being forgiven and then grow up in maturity to this done work for us to walk new in inn .love and mercy for all, Thank you

The whole story, to what God reveals, ed in God's Mystery from the beginning Genesis 3:15-16
Jesus is risen and has won for us to be made new in belief to this truth, thank you. If one or anyone wants to add water Baptism, okay, so be it. God seals hide children to see truth over error(s) daily and continue in his mercy and truth form us all
I am seeing deeper, than ever saw, as Peter finally, did when Peter wrote 1 Peter and 2 Peter to us the people


1 Peter 3:15-21

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15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
"The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH NOW SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 

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"The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH NOW SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
In Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contract with the water and they all perished.
 

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Do you understand what that scripture reveals? It is a reference to water baptizing believers in the name of Jesus for remission of sin.
The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism.

To claim that all prophets testified about water baptism is significantly inaccurate.
 
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I told you previously that I received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues PRIOR to obeying the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. Scripture proves both experiences are necessary. And that being indwelt by the Holy Ghost DOES NOT automatically occur when a person is baptized in water. Read the scriptures: Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

No,scripture does not prove water is required to be saved by God.

Belief if the sacrifice of Jesus is required but not to be water Baptised by Jim jones.
 
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I am aware of OT washings for different purposes. However, the NT ordinance of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin as provided for by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Do you say that everyone who God cleansed is unclean?

You believe a man who God has cleansed is unclean untill someone like yourself washes him?
 

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You guys just like talking about this back and forth? Let’s just talk it to death…
 

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Pay attention. Peter said, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) Peter commanded those who believed in Jesus to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48) Again, we see obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits sin.
One trick pony rides again. You keep betting that drum bro 👍
 

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"The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH NOW SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure (is water, whether baptismal or flood which IS the putting away of filth of the flesh, in both cases of water but NOT the answer of a good conscience toward God (complete immersion into belief in the integrity of the Name and all that He claims) in that by which IS the baptism (which the other prefigured) which now saves us.

Even if you do not agree, please let me know that you at least understand to concept I've put forth?
 

Wansvic

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Wow, that’s reaching. What about when Jesus told the disciples their names were written in the Book of Life. ...
God is omniscient. Nothing surprises God. The names in the book of life have been there since the foundation of the world.

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." Rev 17:8
 

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Pay attention. Peter said, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) Peter commanded those who believed in Jesus to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48) Again, we see obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits sin.
If onoma means a name, authority, or cause as Strong’s Concordance says, then this simply says that through His authority everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.
 

Wansvic

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Yeah, this the thing.. you gotta compare Acts 2:28 with the weight of scripture explaining eternal salvation by grace thru faith in Christ without water baptism being mentioned.

The verses with water baptism alongside remission of sin are few.. the verses with remission (forgiveness of sin) without water baptism are extensive.
So you exclude the verses that give specific detail. Interesting. If what you state were true then repentance is not necessary, nor receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost because they are not mentioned in some scriptures. Even those with limited understanding of the Bible know that is not true.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:5

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9


Study of all scripture relative to any topic is what sheds light on the truth.
 

Wansvic

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It is by grace you are saved through faith. Jesus said go into all nations and preach the gospel he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9
 

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One trick pony rides again. You keep betting that drum bro 👍
There are a lot of scriptures that reveal water baptism in the name of Jesus is a necessary component of the NT rebirth.
 

Wansvic

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If onoma means a name, authority, or cause as Strong’s Concordance says, then this simply says that through His authority everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.
Church history reveals the name of Jesus was invoked during water baptism.
 

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It is by grace you are saved through faith. Jesus said go into all nations and preach the gospel he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9
The work of God is this: to believe in the one He sent. God commands all people everywhere to repent. We are to repent and believe. Jesus made a distinction between earthly water and spiritual water and so do I. I am not speaking against being baptized. However, unlike you, I do not believe that one is not saved if they do not undergo water baptism. We are saved by grace through faith.
 

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Which is the of oil of God to be Spirit Baptism over water. John said he must decrease, Christ must increase. John Baptizes with water, yet Christ Baptizes with the Holy Spirit of God his Father, Only one Baptism, one Faith, one Lord
Yes, that be truth, that has been turned to untruth by Evil getting people to be under Law to get choked to death and have to go to others, not God all in all to get advice, as if God is not alive or does not talk to us his children, God is alive and knows the truth of God's words, and freely gives this to his children in belief to his love and mercy of Son for them.
Satan came to Jesus in the Desert and used the Bible scripture of the first Testament to get him lost in it
And Jesus told the truth of those scriptures satan, Evil was using to get him under his thrall
Jesus, thank God refused and stood in trust to his Father only, all the way to willing death to save us the people that will choose to believe God and not be thwarted as in religion did me at first.
"Man does not live by bread alone, Man lives by the word of God, above everything else. That in truth only God knows and tell us, truth in us, as his precious children that believe Son Jesus is risen for them to be new and led new, no more of the self is the call. Reckon self as dead by the done work of Son, thank you Romans 6:1-12


Philippians 3:1-2

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3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

We are called to be new in the risen Son for us all, to believe God and stay in that as I am elated I see you do that too, thank you Brother
As we each in belief continue daily to grow up in God's maturity[/QUOT I
Water Brother is not the water of this world. It is the Amniotic fluid, known now as Amniotic from the woman's womb
Read the clarification in John 3


John 3:1-6

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The above is a free gift, not of any work(s) of mankind. If is, then there be a reason to boast over it as is going on in religious Churches today. Yet I am elated Christ is being preached, Whether of contention, strife or sincerely. God reveals the truth to all his kids with the proper motives.

No, AI born of man is of flesh and blood and Son Jesus does not save this, religiosity work of man.
First born of flesh, as not in with Father, a sinner, an unbeliever as the first Adam was and ate from that tree in unbelief first. All flesh born afterwords, is born as dead to God. No flesh can please God, but Son's that did to for us to be new in ?God's Spirit and Truth, to come to see to be no ,anger alive to the flesh and blood nature and to not fight with against anyone else either


Be Baptized in Spirit and Truth of the Father and Son for you

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Thank you Father for Son to save us in his resurrected life that you raised back to life for the disciples and over 500 witnesses to see, where his one time willing death forgave us all (1 John 2:1-4, 12) to repent to you from death, we all are first born in this world from man and woman. In thanksgiving and praise to this truth of Psalms 103:12 fulfilled now Thanks giving and praise Psalms 100:4
Amazing grace, Thank You Father and Son as Won (One) for each in belief to you in this done truth for us to be in. Wow as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Wait so You’re saying when they say here is water let’s baptize 😂they aren’t talking about water 😅???

So this isnt proof to you in a bible discussion forum they baptized in water ?

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i can’t really say much if you’ve interpreted things like this so far away and can’t accept the basic truth . We’re just eating each others time