How do you get saved?

[Burn1986]

Oh no, not saying that. I am just talkin about the initial salvation experience.

I’ll have to go back and look at what you said. You put a lot of strict criteria in there. Could you recap what a person should do, and what they should not do, if they want to be saved?

 

[wattie]

I’ll have to go back and look at what you said. You put a lot of strict criteria in there. Could you recap what a person should do, and what they should not do, if they want to be saved?

Okay John 3:16,5:24, 6:40.. what do they say?

Romans 10:9-10 also.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

This is, inwardly believing that Jesus is God, that He died and rose again.. and that by believing in Him you have everlasting life. This can be outwardly expressed by a prayer, but does not HAVE to be a prayer.

What it isn't-- making a promise or commitment to Jesus from your own effort of will.. like 'I now give my life to you' What do you mean.. that you are gonna make God number 1 in every area of your life, right then and there? That takes your entire life!

 

[Burn1986]

Okay John 3:16,5:24, 6:40.. what do they say?

Romans 10:9-10 also.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

This is, inwardly believing that Jesus is God, that He died and rose again.. and that by believing in Him you have everlasting life. This can be outwardly expressed by a prayer, but does not HAVE to be a prayer.

What it isn't-- making a promise or commitment to Jesus from your own effort of will.. like 'I now give my life to you' What do you mean.. that you are gonna make God number 1 in every area of your life, right then and there? That takes your entire life!

How have you led persons in salvation with this? Any examples of how well it’s worked for you? I noticed that every person is different, and every situation is different. I had one guy simply say “I’m ready” and we prayed (I know) in the parking lot of an HEB. Others were not ready so we just invited them to church, and if possible followed up. Others had already made a profession of faith but may have backslidden of not have been baptized. Others just needed prayer, either for a need or loved one or situation, and in follow up they were more open to talking about Jesus. Almost every person I encountered was open to prayer however. Sometimes though, it just wasn’t appropriate and I prayed for them on my own,

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I thought you posted a thread, which is what I meant. I didn’t see one thread about how to get saved. I can see why now. Most everyone thought my example was completely Satanic and legalistic, and in no way even close to what a person should pray. Heck, the poster above basically said no one should pray, implying praying was of the devil.

I pray how and what Jesus taught to pray.
Listening to Jesus and doing what he says is how I found God.

If someone asked me how to be saved,I would tell them to start with the book of Mathew and pay close attention to everything Jesus says.(A red letter bible is helpful)Listen and do what he says.
If they can't read ,then I would offer to read it for them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My bad. Good Shiloh, I’m glad you agreed with my original post. Did you ever make a thread about salvation?

Not on this site.

 

[wattie]

How have you led persons in salvation with this? Any examples of how well it’s worked for you? I noticed that every person is different, and every situation is different. I had one guy simply say “I’m ready” and we prayed (I know) in the parking lot of an HEB. Others were not ready so we just invited them to church, and if possible followed up. Others had already made a profession of faith but may have backslidden of not have been baptized. Others just needed prayer, either for a need or loved one or situation, and in follow up they were more open to talking about Jesus. Almost every person I encountered was open to prayer however. Sometimes though, it just wasn’t appropriate and I prayed for them on my own,

I go door knocking with a church member most weeks, once a week. We don't dress up like JWS or Mormons, but like the people we are sharing with. We go thru a tract with people after inviting them to our church with a card and asking them if they are 100 percent they are going to heaven.

If we establish they have already believed on Jesus Christ, then say our peace and give them our card. If they don't believe.. but want to talk.. that's awesome.. that's where God works. If they don't wanna know we say our peace, usually leave a card and go

 

[rogerg]

You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

If you have prayed this prayer please let us know. It’s important to find a church to go to and tell the pastor what you gave done. If you can’t, then write this prayer out and sign it and date it and save it. It’s important to follow up with water baptism as a symbol of what you’ve done.

Here’s some scripture references
Roman’s 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-10, 13.
Revelation 3:20.

No one can save themselves; Christ alone wears the title of Savior, man does not.
Should receiving of it necessitate anything from man in order to obtain it, then it couldn't/wouldn't be by grace, but instead by works.
Grace and works are diametrically opposed to each other, therefore, for salvation to come to fruition in order to fulfill God's promise, God's grace and Christ's faith, through Jesus Christ was made victorious over works. Otherwise, salvation would not exist and the promise of God, of no effect.
The Bible is clear that no one can be saved by their works no matter how slight they might appear to be.
At a time of His choosing, and to those whom He had chosen for it, He saves them. It is bequeathed unto them completely as a gift,
with no prerequisites nor conditions whatsoever imposed or permitted in order for it (other than God chose them) - that is what makes it by grace not by works, and Christ the Saviour.
It is all solely due to His exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ.

[2Pe 1:1-4 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[Burn1986]

No one can save themselves; Christ alone wears the title of Savior, man does not.
Should receiving of it necessitate anything from man in order to obtain it, then it couldn't/wouldn't be by grace, but instead by works.
Grace and works are diametrically opposed to each other, therefore, for salvation to come to fruition in order to fulfill God's promise, God's grace and Christ's faith, through Jesus Christ was made victorious over works. Otherwise, salvation would not exist and the promise of God, of no effect.
The Bible is clear that no one can be saved by their works no matter how slight they might appear to be.
At a time of His choosing, and to those whom He had chosen for it, He saves them. It is bequeathed unto them completely as a gift,
with no prerequisites nor conditions whatsoever imposed or permitted in order for it (other than God chose them) - that is what makes it by grace not by works, and Christ the Saviour.
It is all solely due to His exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ.

[2Pe 1:1-4 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Thanks bro… groundbreaking

 

[KegOfCorona]

No one can save themselves; Christ alone wears the title of Savior, man does not.
Should receiving of it necessitate anything from man in order to obtain it, then it couldn't/wouldn't be by grace, but instead by works.
Grace and works are diametrically opposed to each other, therefore, for salvation to come to fruition in order to fulfill God's promise, God's grace and Christ's faith, through Jesus Christ was made victorious over works. Otherwise, salvation would not exist and the promise of God, of no effect.
The Bible is clear that no one can be saved by their works no matter how slight they might appear to be.
At a time of His choosing, and to those whom He had chosen for it, He saves them. It is bequeathed unto them completely as a gift,
with no prerequisites nor conditions whatsoever imposed or permitted in order for it (other than God chose them) - that is what makes it by grace not by works, and Christ the Saviour.
It is all solely due to His exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ.

Didn't you see the 2nd Matrix where Neo tells the kid he saved himself, not by Neo?

 

[rogerg]

Didn't you see the 2nd Matrix where Neo tells the kid he saved himself, not by Neo?

Nope, missed it.

 

[mailmandan]

Were Paul's sins already forgiven here

Acts 22:16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized, and wash your sins away, calling on His name.’

In regard to Acts 22:16, Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary makes not of the importance of the Greek in Ananias' statement. When Ananias tells Paul to "arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord," the tense of the last command is literally "having called" (aorist middle participle). "Calling on [epikalesamenos] --- 'having (that is, after having) called on,' referring the confession of Christ which preceded baptism." [Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, vol. 3 pg. 160]. Kenneth Wuest picks up on this Greek nuance and translates the verse as follows: "And now, why are you delaying? Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name." (Acts 22:16, Wuest's Expanded NT).

Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was BEFORE he was water baptized (Acts 9:18). Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

No scripture is to be interpreted in isolation from the totality of scripture. Practically speaking, a singular and obscure verse is to be subservient to multiple and clear verses, and not vice versa.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

 

[mailmandan]

No-- they will be saved. But the confession has come from inward conviction. A person who is mute cannot verbally pray

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep, personal conviction from the heart that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.

 

[Jimbone]

Im speaking from experience .

I was Baptised in the holy spirit by God after believing the gospel I was reading.I received it Aug 31,1998 while I was praying in my home .There were no other humans in the house to lay hands on or Baptise me in water.God had done this on his own without assistance .


Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


I was reading the gospel according to Mathew at the time.

I was saved the same way. However check this out, it was after years of being an unknowing false convert, and when I hit my knees in repentance I wasn't even thinking of God in that exact moment. I had already "given my heart to Jesus", I already went up front and repeated the prayer, I was even dunked in the water for good measure. I was declared "SAVED", and honestly thought I was. So when my trials hit 5th gear I found the whole Christian/Jesus/Religion "thing" did not help at all. So when He granted me repentance and I hit my knees, in my mind I no longer was putting any stock into the whole God thing, I just saw myself in truth and how feeble, incapable, broken, and hopeless I truly was, and I quit. I woke up the next day an all new creature completely. There's so much more to it, but I'm just trying to share that I know what you're talking about. I was 33 and that day was Sept. 29th 2013, and that was the day I was saved, when I died to self and turned from "my way". It was a gift from God and I didn't even know what happen until lunch the next day, but when we are saved in truth, truly born again as Jesus said to Nicodemus, that is when our dead spirit is resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit. This is how we are saved, by submitting everything to Him.

 

[Wansvic]

Water baptism is not required to receive the holy Ghost .
You should ask so you can receive the holy Ghost then you will know what I'm talking about.
After you recieve the baptism of holy Ghost ,then holy Ghost will teach you the truth.

I told you previously that I received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues PRIOR to obeying the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. Scripture proves both experiences are necessary. And that being indwelt by the Holy Ghost DOES NOT automatically occur when a person is baptized in water. Read the scriptures: Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

 

[Wansvic]

Jesus in the Jordan River


The tvilah is the act of immersion in naturally sourced water, called a mikva


Although the term "baptism" is not used to describe the Jewish rituals, the purification rites in Halakha, Jewish law and tradition, called tvilah, have some similarity to baptism, and the two have been linked. The tvilah is the act of immersion in naturally sourced water, called a mikva.[2][unreliable source?][3] In the past Hebrew Bible and other Jewish texts, immersion in water for ritual purification was established for restoration to a condition of "ritual purity" in specific circumstances. For example, Jews who (according to the Law of Moses) became ritually defiled by contact with a corpse had to use the mikvah before being allowed to participate in the Holy Temple. Immersion is required for converts to Judaism.[4] Immersion in the mikvah represents a change in status in regards to purification, restoration, and qualification for full religious participation in the life of the community, ensuring that the cleansed person will not impose uncleanness on property or its owners.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_baptism#:~:text=Although the term "baptism" is,sourced water, called a mikva.

I am aware of OT washings for different purposes. However, the NT ordinance of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin as provided for by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

 

[Wansvic]

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.

Do you understand what that scripture reveals? It is a reference to water baptizing believers in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Peter commands those who received the Holy Ghost to obey that specific command.

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. " Acts 10:43 KJV

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." Acts 10:47-48

 

[Wansvic]

Again, your stuck in a false idiology

Mark 1 4 has nothing to do with anyone being saved, or receiving remission of sin. it was to point people to Christ, who would purchase remmision of sin

Luke in the same way, was to give people KNOWLEDGE of how to be saved. and recieve remission of sin

Luke 3 was preaching again to repent, to recieve remission of sin,,

Acts 2 does not say what you continue to think it says, Romans 6 has no water involved, Col 2 has no water involved.

Not t mention you reject John1: 12, John 3: 14 - 18, and all the other passages which chow the gospel and being justified apart from water baptism.

The command to water baptize was part of the Great Commission Jesus spoke of in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15-16, Luke 24:47.
Also, note Jesus instructions to Peter, just prior to His ascension back into Heaven, as recorded in the Gospel of John. His instructions concerned feeding His sheep and lambs, is a reference to presenting the gospel to Jews, and Gentiles. And His assisting in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost.

"So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep." John 21:15-17


In addition, I do not reject John 1:12 as you suppose.
The scripture is clear, those who receive him are given the opportunity to become sons of God. It even references having belief in His name. Keep in mind those at Pentecost believed in Jesus and when asked what else was required, Peter gave the command to repent, and specified that EVERYONE was to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Those who believe and obey God are promised the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost will take place at some point.


Again, your accusations are unfounded regarding John chapter 3.
What you neglect to acknowledge is what is revealed at the beginning of that chapter. Jesus speaks of the need to be born of water and of Spirit. (John 3:1-5) Each detailed conversion account confirms both water baptism in the name of Jesus, (for remission of sin) as well as receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is witnessed. This is not a coincidence. It provides evidence that the NT rebirth involves both experiences.

 

[Burn1986]

In regard to Acts 22:16, Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary makes not of the importance of the Greek in Ananias' statement. When Ananias tells Paul to "arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord," the tense of the last command is literally "having called" (aorist middle participle). "Calling on [epikalesamenos] --- 'having (that is, after having) called on,' referring the confession of Christ which preceded baptism." [Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, vol. 3 pg. 160]. Kenneth Wuest picks up on this Greek nuance and translates the verse as follows: "And now, why are you delaying? Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name." (Acts 22:16, Wuest's Expanded NT).

Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was BEFORE he was water baptized (Acts 9:18). Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

No scripture is to be interpreted in isolation from the totality of scripture. Practically speaking, a singular and obscure verse is to be subservient to multiple and clear verses, and not vice versa.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

👎

 

[Wansvic]

You own passage proves you wrong

Acts 10: 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

No water baptism

Acts 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And [o]those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

These people already recieved the gift of the spirit Which proves they already recieved remission of sin, Just like Peter said in acts 2. because they repented and believed.

and just like in Acts 2. Peter then said because they recieved the gift of the spirit. they should be water baptized.. Not in order to get remission of sin or the gift of the spirit

As for John - as is typical. You reject that Jesus told Nicodemus how john 3: 3 - 5 takes place. and it is not through water baptism, it is through the cross. and those who look to the cross in faith. as seen in John 3: 13 - 18
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

No matter what you want to try to say, Jesus left the word baptize out for a reason when he told him HOW to be born again, Because it is not required..

so thank you for your great verses, which sadly does not support your view, but actually counters your view.

Pay attention. Peter said, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) Peter commanded those who believed in Jesus to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48) Again, we see obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits sin.

 

[Wansvic]

So they just had to have faith (the faith of abraham Romans 4)

But we actually have to do work. where they did not have to?

You can not see you are teaching two different gospels. one for the OT and one for the new. and the new actually takes you to work, where in the Old, no work was required. and you can not see how silly this is?

God has always required obedience, it is key.

"And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice." 1 Sam 15:22-24