How do you get saved?

[Wansvic]

sorry my friend, When you say romans 6 is water baptism. You’re adding to the word.



Um no, it does not say this.

My sins are remitted the moment I am justified, I am justified by faith apart from works.. Not by works of righteousness (like water baptism) which I have done, but by his mercy he saved me

Remission of sin takes place in obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus. Paul said, know ye not that those who were baptized were buried with Jesus. The old man was crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:1-6

 

[Wansvic]

The foundation is JESUS

Not what i do

You you trust Jesus, or do you trust your works?

Anyone who reads your words know where your faith lies.

Why do you refuse to accept Jesus' own words?

Jesus actually said those who hear His sayings and do them are like a man who built an house and laid the foundation on a rock. The foundation components listed in Hebrews 6:1-2 parallel the instructions initially given by Peter. (Acts 2:38)


"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock." Luke 6:47-48

 

[Wansvic]

Well,you are saying that if someone is Baptised in water then they are Baptised in Jesus name.Why would he need to call on the name of the Lord if he got baptized in Jesus?

I'm seeing a few people near me swimming in a pool of water.Do you believe they are swimming in Jesus name?

The apostles water baptized everyone in the name of Jesus. They never used the phrase, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Why? Because it was Jesus who was crucified to save their souls. They knew who Jesus was, and as such obeyed His command in Matthew 28:19 by invoking His name in baptism. As scripture reveals, everything we do in word and deed is to be done in the name of Jesus Christ. (Col 3:17)

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

And if all you do is parrot the words of this "Prayer", then you've done NOTHING of significance whether you get dunked in addition or not. "Belief" (Intellectual assent) doesn't mean SPIT, has no "Substance", and is "evidence" of nothing. (Heb 11:1).

If you've actually prayed this IN FAITH as the result of being drawn by Holy Spirit in CONVICTION OF SIN, and REPENTED of your SIN at the "Heart level" (not just the intellectual level), then you may well be Born again, and indwelled by the Holy Spirit. The evidence would be that everything has changed, and your life is no longer what it was before.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The apostles water baptized everyone in the name of Jesus. They never used the phrase, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Why? Because it was Jesus who was crucified to save their souls. They knew who Jesus was, and as such obeyed His command in Matthew 28:19 by invoking His name in baptism. As scripture reveals, everything we do in word and deed is to be done in the name of Jesus Christ. (Col 3:17)

Actually Paul said he was not sent to Baptise.He thanked God he had not Baptised anymore than he did after he saw the great division water baptism was causing in the church.
Water Baptism still causes divisions and disputes. That is all it's good for.

Even you dispute what people do.


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

 

[Burn1986]

And if all you do is parrot the words of this "Prayer", then you've done NOTHING of significance whether you get dunked in addition or not. "Belief" (Intellectual assent) doesn't mean SPIT, has no "Substance", and is "evidence" of nothing. (Heb 11:1).

If you've actually prayed this IN FAITH as the result of being drawn by Holy Spirit in CONVICTION OF SIN, and REPENTED of your SIN at the "Heart level" (not just the intellectual level), then you may well be Born again, and indwelled by the Holy Spirit. The evidence would be that everything has changed, and your life is no longer what it was before.

Wow, you’ve got so much knowledge. You’ve also used a lot of fancy words. This thread is obviously not for all you guys that are too smart to be saved. It’s for the regular people who need it. You apparently don’t need anything since you’re above all that. Flame on bro

 

[NightTwister]

It's not just Hitler that got water Baptised,Stalin did also.They are brothers.

Clueless, seriously.

 

[wattie]

You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

If you have prayed this prayer please let us know. It’s important to find a church to go to and tell the pastor what you gave done. If you can’t, then write this prayer out and sign it and date it and save it. It’s important to follow up with water baptism as a symbol of what you’ve done.

Here’s some scripture references
Roman’s 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-10, 13.
Revelation 3:20.

What if your surrendering fails later after this prayer?

 

[Burn1986]

What if your surrendering fails later after this prayer?

So I only have to forgive 490 times, and then I can start not forgiving on 491? Letter of the Law right?

 

[Burn1986]

I’m wondering what your talking about being saved from is all lol so I asked I meant nothing by it sorry

You’ve really made me think on this one, I believe that God saves us from failure. We as humans are gonna fail, and we need forgiveness. I’ve failed so much. Fortunately, I can turn to God and receive forgiveness from my failures. Sure I was saved on October of 1988, but I need forgiveness each day.

 

[Wansvic]

Actually Paul said he was not sent to Baptise.He thanked God he had not Baptised anymore than he did after he saw the great division water baptism was causing in the church.
Water Baptism still causes divisions and disputes. That is all it's good for.

Even you dispute what people do.


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

What is the name? The apostles provide the answer:

Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Cor 1:13

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 1 Cor 1:14-15


Acts 2:38-39 ...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
...Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
...
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Acts 19:2-6 ...
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


Acts 22:14-16
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Wansvic]

Actually Paul said he was not sent to Baptise.He thanked God he had not Baptised anymore than he did after he saw the great division water baptism was causing in the church.
Water Baptism still causes divisions and disputes. That is all it's good for.

Even you dispute what people do.


Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

I share scripture that reveals how the apostles water baptized. And do so, so people can make an informed decision.

Scripture also reveals much concerning Paul's comment to the Corinthians about not baptizing.

Paul’s statement points to his primary ministry being to preach the gospel. Clearly water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is part of the gospel message. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 8:35-40, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 16:28-33, 18:6-10, 19:1-6, 22:16) And Ananias commanded Paul to submit to being baptized before he began his own ministry. (Acts 22:16) Paul baptized Lydia and her family. (Acts 16:14-15) And he and Silas baptized the jailer and his entire household. (Acts 16:28-33) In addition, Paul was still water baptizing people 20+ years after Peter first presented the command at Pentecost. (Acts 19:1-6) These records indicate Paul understood water baptism was part of the gospel message. As such, Paul’s comment then could not have been intended to mean what some mistakenly believe.

Scripture informs us that Paul preached the need to be water baptized but rarely performed the actual water baptisms himself. Consider Paul mentions Crispus by name as one of those that he did personally baptize. (1 Cor. 1:14) The scripture reference regarding Crispus is Acts 18:6-10. The record shows that Crispus and ALL of those of his household and MANY Corinthians believed Paul's message and were baptized. (verse 8) This verse alone confirms Paul’s message included the need to be baptized. So of the entire group, the chief ruler of the synagogue (Crispus) was the only one that Paul actually baptized himself. (see 1 Cor. 1:14) Clearly, someone else was with Paul and performed the other water baptisms. Further it should be noted that on that very night the Lord gave Paul a vision. He told him to continue speaking/sharing the message without fear. (Acts 18:9-10)


Acts 18:6-10
"And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. (Paul’s comments in 1 Cor. 1:14 establish that this was water baptism.)

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city."

 

[wattie]

So I only have to forgive 490 times, and then I can start not forgiving on 491? Letter of the Law right?

Not sure what you are saying here. What I mean is.. if we put a behaviour of effort on our part as part of receiving eternal life.. conditioned on it.. well... all believers at some point fail in that behaviour.

So if surrendering as a behaviour is necessary to receive eternal life....well that surrendering behaviour will come and go afterwards.

So is the receiving of eternal life because you surrended as a behaviour or because Jesus gave you eternal life not by your behaviour?

See the difference?

I would completely agree with you on receiving eternal life if an effort of behaviour on our part isn't part of it.

Repent.. is a change of mind, heart. From unbelief to belief. Not an act of behaviour of reducing sin.

Because we are dead in sin before conversion. Therefore no behaviour can do anything except for asking for salvation.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Clueless, seriously.

I know.Peope actually believe water washes their sins away.
As far as they are concerned ,Jesus didn't need yo die. They just needed to take z bath whole saying his name.
Clueless indeed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Like the Pharisees going around telling people they are unclean because they didn't wash with water.


Mathew 15:2
Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What is the name? The apostles provide the answer:

Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Cor 1:13

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 1 Cor 1:14-15


Acts 2:38-39 ...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
...Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
...
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Acts 19:2-6 ...
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


Acts 22:14-16
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Your saying Paul was baptising in the name of Jesus's?First problem, Jesus name is not water.


Why was Paul baptising people in water while saying Jesus name when he was not told to do so ?

See what happens when an apostle takes it upon himself to do things he was not told to do?


Paul should have preached the gospel as he was told to and leave the baptism to God.That was the lesson Paul learned.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I share scripture that reveals how the apostles water baptized. And do so, so people can make an informed decision.

Scripture also reveals much concerning Paul's comment to the Corinthians about not baptizing.

Paul’s statement points to his primary ministry being to preach the gospel. Clearly water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is part of the gospel message. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 8:35-40, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 16:28-33, 18:6-10, 19:1-6, 22:16) And Ananias commanded Paul to submit to being baptized before he began his own ministry. (Acts 22:16) Paul baptized Lydia and her family. (Acts 16:14-15) And he and Silas baptized the jailer and his entire household. (Acts 16:28-33) In addition, Paul was still water baptizing people 20+ years after Peter first presented the command at Pentecost. (Acts 19:1-6) These records indicate Paul understood water baptism was part of the gospel message. As such, Paul’s comment then could not have been intended to mean what some mistakenly believe.

Scripture informs us that Paul preached the need to be water baptized but rarely performed the actual water baptisms himself. Consider Paul mentions Crispus by name as one of those that he did personally baptize. (1 Cor. 1:14) The scripture reference regarding Crispus is Acts 18:6-10. The record shows that Crispus and ALL of those of his household and MANY Corinthians believed Paul's message and were baptized. (verse 8) This verse alone confirms Paul’s message included the need to be baptized. So of the entire group, the chief ruler of the synagogue (Crispus) was the only one that Paul actually baptized himself. (see 1 Cor. 1:14) Clearly, someone else was with Paul and performed the other water baptisms. Further it should be noted that on that very night the Lord gave Paul a vision. He told him to continue speaking/sharing the message without fear. (Acts 18:9-10)


Acts 18:6-10
"And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. (Paul’s comments in 1 Cor. 1:14 establish that this was water baptism.)

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city."

Again,your ignoring what Paul said.
Paul was never told to Baptise anyone.He was only sent to preach the gospel.

Try not to say Paul was sent to Baptise when he openly said he wasn't.Paul was never supposed to Baptise anyone.He was only sent to preach the gospel.That is all.

1 corinth 17

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.



It's very simple.


For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel






I suppose it's easy for me to understand being baptized in the holy Ghost after hearing and believing the gospel.I did not need to find an ordained minister to give me bath.I only needed to believe .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I share scripture that reveals how the apostles water baptized. And do so, so people can make an informed decision.

Scripture also reveals much concerning Paul's comment to the Corinthians about not baptizing.

Paul’s statement points to his primary ministry being to preach the gospel. Clearly water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is part of the gospel message. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 8:35-40, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 16:28-33, 18:6-10, 19:1-6, 22:16) And Ananias commanded Paul to submit to being baptized before he began his own ministry. (Acts 22:16) Paul baptized Lydia and her family. (Acts 16:14-15) And he and Silas baptized the jailer and his entire household. (Acts 16:28-33) In addition, Paul was still water baptizing people 20+ years after Peter first presented the command at Pentecost. (Acts 19:1-6) These records indicate Paul understood water baptism was part of the gospel message. As such, Paul’s comment then could not have been intended to mean what some mistakenly believe.

Scripture informs us that Paul preached the need to be water baptized but rarely performed the actual water baptisms himself. Consider Paul mentions Crispus by name as one of those that he did personally baptize. (1 Cor. 1:14) The scripture reference regarding Crispus is Acts 18:6-10. The record shows that Crispus and ALL of those of his household and MANY Corinthians believed Paul's message and were baptized. (verse 8) This verse alone confirms Paul’s message included the need to be baptized. So of the entire group, the chief ruler of the synagogue (Crispus) was the only one that Paul actually baptized himself. (see 1 Cor. 1:14) Clearly, someone else was with Paul and performed the other water baptisms. Further it should be noted that on that very night the Lord gave Paul a vision. He told him to continue speaking/sharing the message without fear. (Acts 18:9-10)


Acts 18:6-10
"And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. (Paul’s comments in 1 Cor. 1:14 establish that this was water baptism.)

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city."

What was even more interesting about my baptism is that a man wasn't even preaching the gospel to me when I was Baptised.I was reading the gospel according to Mathew.

Mathew done circled the globe preaching the gospel .

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Remission of sin takes place in obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus. Paul said, know ye not that those who were baptized were buried with Jesus. The old man was crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:1-6

It says i was baptized into him not water
its over, You have no argument. There is no water in the passage.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why do you refuse to accept Jesus' own words?

Jesus actually said those who hear His sayings and do them are like a man who built an house and laid the foundation on a rock. The foundation components listed in Hebrews 6:1-2 parallel the instructions initially given by Peter. (Acts 2:38)


"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock." Luke 6:47-48

I accepted his words.

Whoever believes in him will never perish but has eternal life. He who believes is not c on damned, He who does not believe is condemned already

Why will you not accept his words?