oh yea, and thanks for the reminder of the promised I'd made to find that for you, I'd just about forgotten all about it after the distraction of 1000 cuts and pastes.
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Jesus’ words in John 6:65
Why did Jesus say what he did in John 6:65?
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
Because! The Jews who were about to stop following Jesus where seeking salvation by works. That is why they sought out "Rabbi Jesus" to see what set of works he would give them to do to be saved by.
Its why Jesus zapped them with one work that saves that He well knew would cause them to depart away from from being the dead weights they were following him around.
Here is the 'work' Jesus gave them to do knowing full well they could not handle it!
John 6:56-60
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one
who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down
from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this
bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
To eat his flesh and to drink his blood would be to have believed in Him onto salvation!
Jesus proclaimed not seek salvation by works.
But by God's drawing each one of us into the knowledge of what would be needed to have eternal life!
God drawing us does not mean God only draws those who get saved! It means it the process God uses
as a means to determine who He will save!
God's drawing is not irresistible! For men mentioned in Romans 1:18-22 were in the process of God drawing
them, and they willed to suppress the truth the drawing provided them, and replaced the truth with a lie!
Romans 1:18-22
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness
of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God
is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world
God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but
their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed
to be wise, they became fools
Note!
.. since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them...
These men were being drawn by God!
They resisted, and rejected God's drawing!
Calvinism has really done a number on the body of Christ by interjecting dogmatic induced confusion into the minds of believers.
The truth makes you free.
.. since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them...
God does the work in drawing us.
But, his drawing is not irresistible.
That is why God is free to judge and condemn all who reject Jesus Christ!
For they are personally accountable to God for rejecting His drawing them!
grace and peace ....
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Niki7
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I really got under your skin eh?
I will admit there are false words being tossed about ms bee, but not coming from me
since you like lecturing so much, why don't you start your own thread and you could call it 'The Bee Lectures Everyone on Everything'
people who need fellowship and encouragement probably left your advice column a looooong time ago
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Niki7
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Lots of hate and mean-ness. How come, you (and you and you…)? You’re gonna wear yourself out.
That was no accident, Ms Meanie Meanerton. (lol, there are no safe rooms here...oh thanks
1000 cuts and pastes....now why does that remind me of the death by a thousand cuts?
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Finally, some good advice.
I had to apply some liberally to my legs after serving 500 Mothers and their appreciative children. Patiently looking forward to Mag's rendition of her twin, shamrockin' my temporary tatt.
Magnesium helps in relieving Charlie horses caused from a combination of an over exertion and failure to properly hydrate during the exercise of them. Someone working alongside had a step counted and logged over 10k steps, but he was consider taking "light duty" responsibility working with a broken hand. I'd have offered him an application if brought it to work with me, because it helps in wound repair as much, but I keep it always within reach on my nightstand for such frequent occasions I am overworked. I don't try and make excuses for my abrasive personality, but this might provide insight as to why my patience is worn thin carrying the burdens for want of the softer help putting more energy into whining and crying than making much difference in the workload. I figure, if they are free to whine as much, then I might as well take my liberty to growl as I see fitting, even though I'd rather be at such leisure as to have nothing to whine about apart from the annoyance that everyone fails to recognize the great privilege my presence bestows on those born in service to me. But I digress...
The problem was that the idea itself is self-refuting and contradictory, so there is no way to express it as biblical truth. I was present throughout the conversation as it was happening in the other thread just before this thread was created to further explore it, and I asked for clarification, hoping to elicit a sensible response, but it was not forthcoming, and in fact, my asking for clarification was met with some disdain, as if my asking for clarification meant I did not understand the gospel message. It has repeatedly been put to me that I do not understand something properly, when I understand perfectly well that you cannot say that those God did not choose or elect to salvation can choose to believe and then they also are/become the chosen or elect. The chosen were spoken of as if they belonged to some special category of people like Moses, Paul, and Jeremiah, as if they and they alone had some special purpose to fulfill for God. The whole presentation was a mish mash mess. It can be summarized as such:
The chosen have a special purpose to fulfill for God.
The elect will come to believe.
Those not chosen or elect can also of their own free will choose to believe.
Anyone who believes is chosen/elect.
Magnesium helps in relieving Charlie horses caused from a combination of an over exertion and failure to properly hydrate during the exercise of them. Someone working alongside had a step counted and logged over 10k steps, but he was consider taking "light duty" responsibility working with a broken hand. I'd have offered him an application if brought it to work with me, because it helps in wound repair as much, but I keep it always within reach on my nightstand for such frequent occasions I am overworked. I don't try and make excuses for my abrasive personality, but this might provide insight as to why my patience is worn thin carrying the burdens for want of the softer help putting more energy into whining and crying than making much difference in the workload. I figure, if they are free to whine as much, then I might as well take my liberty to growl as I see fitting, even though I'd rather be at such leisure as to have nothing to whine about apart from the annoyance that everyone fails to recognize the great privilege my presence bestows on those born in service to me. But I digress...
"Born"in service to you?
You an obstetrician? 
How are you applying magnesium to your legs?
Topically? Using magnesium oil?
We had been discussing about taking magnesium internally for keeping our nerves calm as they normally could be.
Also, taking magnesium during sleep hours can help prevent leg cramps.
Magnesium glycinate is a good form to take.
Magnesium citrate is good, but it can act as a laxative...
The Lord Jesus Christ put plenty of magnesium into making Adam's body.
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"Born"in service to you?
How are you applying magnesium to your legs?
Topically? Using magnesium oil?
We had been discussing about taking magnesium internally for keeping our nerves calm as they normally could be.
Also, taking magnesium during sleep hours can help prevent leg cramps.
Magnesium glycinate is a good form to take.
Magnesium citrate is good, but it can act as a laxative...
The Lord Jesus Christ put plenty of magnesium into making Adam's body.
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I was just making fun of whimpers, I hopelessly incorrigible.
And yes, I apply it topical in the form of magnesium chloride with seaweed extract and aloe vera as carriers. I think it peculiar that Magnesium's atom number is 12... which brings to mind "yielding 12 manners of fruit...given for the healing of the nations."
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Niki7
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Magnesium helps in relieving Charlie horses caused from a combination of an over exertion and failure to properly hydrate during the exercise of them. Someone working alongside had a step counted and logged over 10k steps, but he was consider taking "light duty" responsibility working with a broken hand. I'd have offered him an application if brought it to work with me, because it helps in wound repair as much, but I keep it always within reach on my nightstand for such frequent occasions I am overworked. I don't try and make excuses for my abrasive personality, but this might provide insight as to why my patience is worn thin carrying the burdens for want of the softer help putting more energy into whining and crying than making much difference in the workload. I figure, if they are free to whine as much, then I might as well take my liberty to growl as I see fitting, even though I'd rather be at such leisure as to have nothing to whine about apart from the annoyance that everyone fails to recognize the great privilege my presence bestows on those born in service to me. But I digress...
I have no problem with your personality. It is refreshing after the stale bread and corked wine being passed by so many here
you cannot teach or help people who refuse the truth. they just go deeper into error. always
Now I understand most of your topics. I’m amazed that a senior member on this chat is undecided on Jesus. Why?
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Niki7
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most of my topics? what would those be?
no one posting in this thread has denied salvation through Christ
I'm sorry, but I think you are misunderstanding what is going on in this forum
Okay, two of your topics - this one, and Biblical Mary. So, what is your stance on salvation? Maybe I’m off and you’re a spirit filled believer.
Well, now I’m having to go back and re-read. It looks like the Biblical Mary was a resurrected thread. So, I misread that one. This one is still taking some time to understand where you’re coming from. So, I was a little presumptuous. I’ll try and read up on this one. Thus elect non-elect predestined stuff is so weird. To me it’s garbage but some of these threads go on forever debating this stuff.