Salvation is a Free Gift.
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There is an important distinction that many miss.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Our salvation is a free gift as you have said, by grace and only by grace.
Salvation is by grace but is received through the instrument of faith and does not include works.
The poor representation of Christianity is the gospel itself.
If you wish to discuss living out that grace, then that is a discussion for another day.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Our salvation is a free gift as you have said, by grace and only by grace.
Salvation is by grace but is received through the instrument of faith and does not include works.
The poor representation of Christianity is the gospel itself.
If you wish to discuss living out that grace, then that is a discussion for another day.
KJV says "no place in you". That is consistent with not being able to hear because they are not Jesus's sheep.
[Jhn 8:37 KJV] 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
It is obvious because Jesus explicitly told them: they could not hear because they were not of His sheep.
No. they could not hear because they weren't His sheep.
[Jhn 8:43-47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
[Jhn 8:37 KJV] 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
It is obvious because Jesus explicitly told them: they could not hear because they were not of His sheep.
No. they could not hear because they weren't His sheep.
[Jhn 8:43-47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
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The gift of Spirit is the promise of the Father foretold of by Joel and witnessed the day of Pentecost. It was what Jesus told the disciples to wait for in Jerusalem. It purpose is both as a seal as well as a witness to the authenticity of the work of God, and in certain cases enables works of ministry. It is an outward display of the Spirit and easily noticed by anyone in attendance. Scripturally, we find it spoken of in Ephesians 1:13.
Conversely, the indwelling of the Spirit begins in the process of salvation which pricks the heart and facilitates hearing. We see an example of this in Acts 2:37. Rather than being an outward operation, it is an inward work that facilitates salvation. Scripturally, we find this in 1 Corinthians 12:13.
Conversely, the indwelling of the Spirit begins in the process of salvation which pricks the heart and facilitates hearing. We see an example of this in Acts 2:37. Rather than being an outward operation, it is an inward work that facilitates salvation. Scripturally, we find this in 1 Corinthians 12:13.
Do you realize Scripture teaches two types of calling?
Do you know what they are?
Oh and look at post #85.
which @rogerg wrote.
Do you know what they are?
Oh and look at post #85.
which @rogerg wrote.
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
So try again!
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No, not just to the Jews, but to all who are not His sheep:
[2Co 4:3-5 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
[1Co 2:14 KJV]
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
[2Co 4:3-5 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
[1Co 2:14 KJV]
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Lol ….he’s speaking to these people he said this about lol
“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest at any time they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them. ( they used to be his sheep but kept rejecting his word and so he made them deaf long before this and disowned them )
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. ( he’s talking to his disciples ) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”
Matthew 13:14-17 KJV
that’s why he said they weren’t his sheep ….. but listen all o ever was asking you is of i give you a huge gift for free , but I tell you you have to go do a few things at the bank to get it …..is it not a gift like you said ?
That question seemed to throw you into some sort of fit bit I can’t see where you ever just answered that simple question it was based upon what you said in your post just a question lol
God doesn’t arbitrarily choose people to save he sent the gospel out to all of his creatures and said everyone who believes this gospel I’m sending out will be saved
What in the world could possibly be wrong with that? it’s what Jesus said before he went to heaven to intercede for our sins ?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
what Christian is then going to say “we don’t need to believe the gospel and get baptized to be saved pshh that’s such fallacy !!”
if I have to do anything for God it’s not a gift ….common friend you don’t think Jesus Christ is the one to trust on how to be saved ? How to inherit his kingdom ? How to not perish ? How to be the children of God ? The son of God he isn’t the right one to believe and learn from and accept as the lord and his word ?
God wants our whole heart and mind and pul and all our strength dedicated to him that is where the gospel leads someone who actually wants to obey him because they believe it’s the truth and will save them like he said
a I think it’s a pretty sound idea to believe Jesus even when he tells us things we need to do to be saved but , I realize everyone has thier own idea about it too you know ?
I personally feel sorry for those who feel like they don’t have a choice to repent and believe the gospel learn from Jesus and follow him to eternity , it’s pretty much what the Pharisees did rejected his teachings and accused him of heresy
truth is Jesus teaches us a lot of things we’re supposed to do and what not to do also , that’s where faith comes from
“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest at any time they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them. ( they used to be his sheep but kept rejecting his word and so he made them deaf long before this and disowned them )
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. ( he’s talking to his disciples ) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”
Matthew 13:14-17 KJV
that’s why he said they weren’t his sheep ….. but listen all o ever was asking you is of i give you a huge gift for free , but I tell you you have to go do a few things at the bank to get it …..is it not a gift like you said ?
That question seemed to throw you into some sort of fit bit I can’t see where you ever just answered that simple question it was based upon what you said in your post just a question lol
God doesn’t arbitrarily choose people to save he sent the gospel out to all of his creatures and said everyone who believes this gospel I’m sending out will be saved
What in the world could possibly be wrong with that? it’s what Jesus said before he went to heaven to intercede for our sins ?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
what Christian is then going to say “we don’t need to believe the gospel and get baptized to be saved pshh that’s such fallacy !!”
if I have to do anything for God it’s not a gift ….common friend you don’t think Jesus Christ is the one to trust on how to be saved ? How to inherit his kingdom ? How to not perish ? How to be the children of God ? The son of God he isn’t the right one to believe and learn from and accept as the lord and his word ?
God wants our whole heart and mind and pul and all our strength dedicated to him that is where the gospel leads someone who actually wants to obey him because they believe it’s the truth and will save them like he said
a I think it’s a pretty sound idea to believe Jesus even when he tells us things we need to do to be saved but , I realize everyone has thier own idea about it too you know ?
I personally feel sorry for those who feel like they don’t have a choice to repent and believe the gospel learn from Jesus and follow him to eternity , it’s pretty much what the Pharisees did rejected his teachings and accused him of heresy
truth is Jesus teaches us a lot of things we’re supposed to do and what not to do also , that’s where faith comes from
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Sure, I might not be explaining it clearly in my wording. While our salvation was freely paid for by Jesus Christ, the effects of salvation are not automatic. There must be a real world response of faith by the penitent in order for us to be justified. If we had to do nothing, then the entire world would go to heaven, because every one would automatically be justified by Christ’s death. I’m not a universalist, this is why I believe that the merits of Christ’s death are only accounted to us when we repent. And yes, you are sort of right, repentance and faith are gifts from God, however the Lord doesn’t grant them to the entire world! Thanks.
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I'm not going to go through and refute each of your points but suffice it to say there are two, and only two, categories of people spiritually speaking - one or the other of which - each of us must fall into, irrespective of lineage or bloodline (or anything else): 1) those who are His sheep, and 2) those who are not His sheep.