The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

[Thunderrr-mental]

Evil wishes to perfect him to become someone feared by Christians.

Yes what where witnessing is the growing support to destroy a life in the name of self centred behaviour in the name of My God is not your God.

And theese local residents may think there getting away with there dogma like the others here like your new found harassing friend @Niki7 and @Everlasting-Grace

But no you ain't fooling me.

I see through your cover and your slander.

And I ain't in slightest bit concerned by your complaints. They fall on death ears to me, like they will to the lord, until you all realise his life in everyone is precious.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

He has been reported many times and I will not report him again myself. I do not understand why he is allowed to continue as people have been banned for less.

He attached himself to another person who purports to have all these dreams/visions from God who has also said that he is in a place where the Bible is secondary to his experiences. They had many conversations together and of course this other person branded all who tried to tell him he was not experiencing God, as false and anti-Christ.

At that time, a good number of people were countering and exposing the false spirits and eventually he left for some time...but following a biblical pattern, he came back

So, since nothing is done about his rantings, I have ignored him and it seems to me if we all do that he will be bored since he likes players in the games he devises.

But like I said, others have been banned for far less so.......in fact, banning him is obvious. Restricting his ranting seems a better a choice.

He is mocking us all and for some reason is allowed to do so. And discussion that might be fruitful seems to be attacked and not always just by him.

You do not have to take any advice from me, but calling people liars here or non-Christian can result in a ban. I would say leave him and we are not ignorant of what is going on

yes you've been here long enough to be known for the slanderous baiting person you are.
.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

stop feeding the troll

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

stop feeding the troll

*Shrug* Maybe they're in on it too. So it's best to just let them be and let them decide when to put him on ignore on their own, if ever.


🍟

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

stop feeding the troll

You know your name calling suits your nature.

Is this all you have to bring to the table.

This is now the at least ten times you've called me this

But what you may not have noticed is I haven't payed your language back because I respect God's word and all life.

And I don't serve to masters because I don't want to hate a person like you so evidently do.

Just to come on here and just say this one thing shows just how much lack of respect you have.

And to me your no different to others who won't acknowledge clear truth.

Rather than acknowledged it you insult people

Well you'll have your day.

And up until that day you have your moments, but one thing that won't be consistent with you is your respect, and I know you won't care by this, and I know youll come back with of attitude that your saved and I'm not as you always doo.

So your well suited to your new self centred Jewish friend.

You think because your think your in favor by an un merited favor.

You Have this attitude that your God knows better

but I have news for you. Theres one God and his precious stone lives in everyone.

And the favour is life to all.

But for you and your whooping great ego, your unmerited favour is your inherited favour, that you see you being as an inherited favour.

It so obvious your a hater

 

[awelight]

Thank you for explaining your understanding. I have another question regarding this, since a person regenerated still needs to come to faith, without which it is impossible to please God... if by chance they do not come to faith, either through some fault or failing of their own, or circumstances beyond their control (such as an untimely death which would preclude the said coming to faith, e.g.), do you believe they are sealed with promise of the Holy Spirit? Or does regeneration happen apart from that, and the sealing only happens upon a more full-fledged belief? According to Ephesians 1:13-14 (NIV - When you believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of His glory), this sealing takes place at the time of belief. Yet if a person is regenerated and made alive in Christ while we were yet sinners, which Scripture also attests to, being that we are not yet righteous before God due to lack of belief and/or faith, does this mean that people who have been made alive in Him can still suffer the second death?

These are great questions and it gives me great joy when I see anyone seriously delving into Doctrinal issues. There is a lot to unpack here but I will give it a shot.

Regeneration by the Holy Spirit, is God's work on behalf of the Predestined believer, however, it in no way relieves the responsibility of the regenerated person to come to the knowledge of Christ and Repent and Believe in Him and His Truth. While Regeneration replaces that stony heart, (New Nature), and enlivens our dead spirit, (Spiritual discernment), it does not complete the requirements of Faith. It only enables a person to complete the requirements, which was lost in the "Fall". You could compare it to the "Seal" of the Holy Spirit, in as much as they have a similar outcome. Regeneration guarantees one will come to a saving faith - As the "Seal" guarantees that ones position as belonging to the King.

The "Seal" of the Holy Spirit and one's "Justification" take place upon belief in Christ as their Savior. As to an individual not completing the requirements of Salvation after Regeneration... that simply could not happen. You might ask why? Let me explain.

First, Regeneration does not take place months (most likely), before a persons conversion experience. It could take place mere seconds before one is to here the Gospel message or it could be hours before. The timing, however, is a mystery and there is no exact clarification from Scripture. Be that as it may, we know that Salvation is God's plan and is all of God, so therefore it would be foolish to think that God started something in which He could not complete it.

Secondly, remember the Scriptures say there is a "Time to be born and a time to die." Life and death are in the hands of our dear Lord. Once a person has been regenerated, that person is virtually immortal until that person comes to believe. For death cannot be victorious over God's Plan. That regenerated person will be kept safe until they complete the requirements of Salvation. Therefore, there is no such thing as an "untimely death", as each person will be here for as long as the God Lord wills. We might think of the loss of someone as being untimely but it was all in God's plan for each of us. We just need to see this truth and accept it. Just as I had to accept the passing of my wife - her work was done here.

As to the "Second death", the short and only answer would be -- NO. The "second death" is for the unelected, unpredestinated, unjustified and unbelieving persons of the world. Sad to say.

 

[awelight]

Exodus 32:31-33
Then Moses returned to the Lord, and said, “Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made a god of gold for themselves. But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” The Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book

This spells it out completely the names are in until blotted out

Psalm 69:27-28
Add iniquity to their iniquity,
And may they not come into Your righteousness.
May they be blotted out of the book of life
And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Again all names are in untill blotted out

Again all life is in untill blotted out


And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

All life is in the book of life untill removed


And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

All life is in the book of life untill removed

Luke 10:20
Verse Concepts
Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”

All names are in the book of life

Until blotted out





Daniel 12:1
Verse Concepts
“Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

All names that haven't been removed

Again it speaks about only the life that has been kept in the book of life which is all those who have given to his life




Philippians 4:3
Verse Concepts
Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Again it speaks about those who haven't been removed .

Revelation 3:5
Verse Concepts
He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Again all names are.in the book of life untill removed

Revelation 21:27
Verse Concepts
and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


Again only those names who have not been removed

Exodus 32:31-33
Then Moses returned to the Lord, and said, “Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made a god of gold for themselves. But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” The Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book


Again all names are in untill blotted out

Psalm 69:27-28
Add iniquity to their iniquity,
And may they not come into Your righteousness.
May they be blotted out of the book of life
And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Again all life is in untill blotted out

Revelation 13:8
Verse Concepts
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Again all life is in until blotted out

Revelation 17:8
Verse Concepts
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Again all life is in until blotted out



Psalm 56:8
Verse Concepts
You have taken account of my wanderings;
Put my tears in Your bottle.
Are they not in Your book?


Again all names are in until blotted out

Psalm 139:16
Verse Concepts
Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.

Every life has been alloted an amount of time therefore all life.is.in until blotted out

Malachi 3:16
Verse Concepts
Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the Lord and who esteem His name.

All life is in until blotted out.

Apparently you do not understand the literal meaning of words. Your making a point that the names, I am guessing, you mean all are written in the book and then if they don't believe they are blotted out but Scripture does not teach that. Only the Elect are in the Book.

Moses was in the BOOK because he is one of God's chosen. His request to be blotted out showed his earnest desire for the people but it would never have happened.

as to this verse:
Revelation 17:8
Verse Concepts
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

It says clearly the names are not in the BOOK from the foundation of the world.

whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

These are great questions and it gives me great joy when I see anyone seriously delving into Doctrinal issues. There is a lot to unpack here but I will give it a shot.

Regeneration by the Holy Spirit, is God's work on behalf of the Predestined believer, however, it in no way relieves the responsibility of the regenerated person to come to the knowledge of Christ and Repent and Believe in Him and His Truth. While Regeneration replaces that stony heart, (New Nature), and enlivens our dead spirit, (Spiritual discernment), it does not complete the requirements of Faith. It only enables a person to complete the requirements, which was lost in the "Fall". You could compare it to the "Seal" of the Holy Spirit, in as much as they have a similar outcome. Regeneration guarantees one will come to a saving faith - As the "Seal" guarantees that ones position as belonging to the King.

The "Seal" of the Holy Spirit and one's "Justification" take place upon belief in Christ as their Savior. As to an individual not completing the requirements of Salvation after Regeneration... that simply could not happen. You might ask why? Let me explain.

First, Regeneration does not take place months (most likely), before a persons conversion experience. It could take place mere seconds before one is to here the Gospel message or it could be hours before. The timing, however, is a mystery and there is no exact clarification from Scripture. Be that as it may, we know that Salvation is God's plan and is all of God, so therefore it would be foolish to think that God started something in which He could not complete it.

Secondly, remember the Scriptures say there is a "Time to be born and a time to die." Life and death are in the hands of our dear Lord. Once a person has been regenerated, that person is virtually immortal until that person comes to believe. For death cannot be victorious over God's Plan. That regenerated person will be kept safe until they complete the requirements of Salvation. Therefore, there is no such thing as an "untimely death", as each person will be here for as long as the God Lord wills. We might think of the loss of someone as being untimely but it was all in God's plan for each of us. We just need to see this truth and accept it. Just as I had to accept the passing of my wife - her work was done here.

As to the "Second death", the short and only answer would be -- NO. The "second death" is for the unelected, unpredestinated, unjustified and unbelieving persons of the world. Sad to say.

Show me where Gods spirit is dead in the bible.

What it says is this

Ephesians 2:1-10



1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins.

It doesn't say God spirit is dead in people.

Neither does it say to those who are spiritual dead to the lord don't still have his life in them.

And all that ever goes on here is people make and entire theology out of this.

It's totally completely inconsiderate

 

[awelight]

You really have no clue. This is a fishing post in which you aspire to create an emotional reaction and a denial of what you know nothing about.

This tactic is called a 'loaded question' and you are not alone in the useage of such tactics in this forum.

11. Loaded Question Fallacy
A loaded question phrases a question in such a way that the answer is already supposed. The other person must defend against an accusation couched in a question.

• Example: “When was the last time you committed a crime?”

As the listener, it becomes very difficult to simply deny any possible answer to the loaded question. The other person may have formed their response as a question but it clearly contains an accusation, often without sufficient proof.

I have found through the years of posting, that the only ones that, so-called, feared a loaded question or tried to dismiss a point by calling it a loaded question, are those that have nothing usable to add to a discussion. Why should any believer fear a mere question? A question can lead one to think, consider or alter a point of view.

I love questions, just like my baked potatoes, load them up baby. Yum.
Never feared any ones question - loaded or not. If people did not question our beliefs, how would we know whether we are on solid ground or not. I know, I know, some don't like their boat rocked but this attitude is not Biblical:

1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Apparently you do not understand the literal meaning of words. Your making a point that the names, I am guessing, you mean all are written in the book and then if they don't believe they are blotted out but Scripture does not teach that. Only the Elect are in the Book.

Moses was in the BOOK because he is one of God's chosen. His request to be blotted out showed his earnest desire for the people but it would never have happened.

as to this verse:
Revelation 17:8
Verse Concepts
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

It says clearly the names are not in the BOOK from the foundation of the world.

whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world

apparently you only see one thing

Revelation 3:5
Verse Concepts
He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
.
This address everyone

It says he who overcomes will not be removed from my book of life ..
.it means all life remains in there until he says otherwise.


Why will you not believe this 😞

And also all names in the book of life is not named all life is in there as his life.

Not some stupid label

 

[awelight]

apparently you only see one thing

Revelation 3:5
Verse Concepts
He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
.
This address everyone

It says he who overcomes will not be removed from my book of life ..
.it means all life remains in there until he says otherwise.


Why will you not believe this 😞

And also all names in the book of life is not named all life is in there as his life.

Not some stupid label

That was not the verse under discussion. No problem... here it is again for you.

Revelation 17:8
Verse Concepts
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

It says clearly the names are not in the BOOK from the foundation of the world.

"whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world"

By the way, the Greek word, translated: "has not been written", in English is a "Perfect Tense Verb". If you are not familiar with the Greek tenses, this means that this word carries the power of being understood in this way. "Was not written in the past, is not written in the present and will not be written in the future." Primary impact is on the past with continuing results. Don't take my word for it. feel free to look it up.

 

[Niki7]

I have found through the years of posting, that the only ones that, so-called, feared a loaded question or tried to dismiss a point by calling it a loaded question, are those that have nothing usable to add to a discussion. Why should any believer fear a mere question? A question can lead one to think, consider or alter a point of view.

I love questions, just like my baked potatoes, load them up baby. Yum.
Never feared any ones question - loaded or not. If people did not question our beliefs, how would we know whether we are on solid ground or not. I know, I know, some don't like their boat rocked but this attitude is not Biblical:

1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

what's that smell?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

That was not the verse under discussion. No problem... here it is again for you.

Revelation 17:8
Verse Concepts
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

It says clearly the names are not in the BOOK from the foundation of the world.

"whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world"

By the way, the Greek word, translated: "has not been written", in English is a "Perfect Tense Verb". If you are not familiar with the Greek tenses, this means that this word carries the power of being understood in this way. "Was not written in the past, is not written in the present and will not be written in the future." Primary impact is on the past with continuing results. Don't take my word for it. feel free to look it up.

It says all life remains in the book of life unless removed

Which means all life still has a spiritual life in them,.his life whether alive to the power of life the new way or the power of death the old way.




Revelation 3:5



He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

It says all life is in the book of the life ..

Do you believe that

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Why does this matter to you whether im Jewish

Or why should it matter if I'm a universalist

Or why should it matter what label I am, or what label anyone else is.

The only thing that matters is how precious Gods life is.

And also his Life lives in everyone,

His word says Jesus was the living stone that became a more precious stone and all people have a stone of Jesus living in them before they to become a more precious stone, that's what his word says.

And his words says all people are in the book of life with his stone of life, a heavenly jewel given to Adam to be the jewel of all men, whether governed by the power of life or under the power of death.

His word says all people are in the book of life and remain in his book of life unless they are blotted out.

They all have the same name, it's called life and a living stone of Jesus. That is eunique to them because there earthly body inscribes his stone with a eunique identity, but it's still all the same to God, it's called his life.

The holy spirit spoke to the Jews and said you where not once a people and now you are.

is this universal yes it is, it is God's life, that lives in everyone, and his life ties everyone to the old covenant with his laws written on there hearts , and the only way the old covenant is taken away is unless it's taken away by the chief corner stone Christ

This is the universal life of Christ it's the truth of all truth.


Neither is it being a troll it's called being a steward of God's word.

Neither it is being a universalist

It's called valuing life, his life

It's called telling people what they have.

It's called asking people to search within.

Are theese people going to universal about this.

Well no take a look around buddy.

Is it not universal that God wants all life saved.

Should it matter what label is out on his life.

What matter is the ransom he put on his life.

What matters is making people feal they have something, a living stone of Jesus in them.

What matter is telling them where this life was created in Adam in heaven to be the life of all people.

They have to listen tho.

Are you listening

Well do the right thing and accept it.

Because this distortion is leading no where.

The bible Is not about who is more chosen than anyone else.

God had to start somewhere right.


Now you listen to these words and you take them in.

And you bless this lady. And you stop listening to self centred people here. Bullies they are

Had you actually not only watched the documentary, but been able to comprehend the whole scene and viewpoint, the song reborn is for those women who were raped, killed, raped again, cut into pieces, and their body parts scattered like playing games.

She is singing that these women want to be reborn.

It's obviously clear this is beyond your comprehension so I will stop discussing this issue with you.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Had you actually not only watched the documentary, but been able to comprehend the whole scene and viewpoint, the song reborn is for those women who were raped, killed, raped again, cut into pieces, and their body parts scattered like playing games.

She is singing that these women want to be reborn.

It's obviously clear this is beyond your comprehension so I will stop discussing this issue with you.

I'm just going to keep repeating the truth

It says all life remains in the book of life unless removed

Which means all life still has a spiritual life in them,.his life whether alive to the power of life the new way or the power of death the old way.




Revelation 3:5



He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

It says all life is in the book of the life, his life in all life, and the name of all life, is life

Do you believe that

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I attended a Messianic Jewish group some years back before I moved from Montreal. There are many Jews in Montreal or at least were when I lived there but I think alot has changed. When I attended high school, it was the largest high school in the province and almost half the students were Jewish.

When I took a little drive down memory lane, when I was back in Mtl. for my interview with the American consulate, I was surprised and kind of sad to see the entire school had been turned into offices for the French schools.

Have you ever come across the CD 'ADONAI'...subtitle 'the power of worship from the land of Israel' ? I think you can even find it on youtube. It's been out quite a few yrs now.

Listening to it now as I type this

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Revelation 3:5



He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

It says all life is in the book of the life ..

Do you believe that

I am the one who introduced the meaning in this thread and couple other threads.
I always believe what I present or I would not waste my time.
Interesting how you are now presenting it like it was your understanding...when you knew nothing about it until I presented it.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I am the one who introduced the meaning in this thread and couple other threads.
I always believe what I present or I would not waste my time.
Interesting how you are now presenting it like it was your understanding...when you knew nothing about it until I presented it.

im asking if you believe this ..

It says all life remains in the book of life unless removed

Which means all life still has a spiritual life in them,.his life whether alive to the power of life the new way or the power of death the old way.




Revelation 3:5



He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

It says all life is in the book of the life ..his life in all life and the name is life

Do you believe that

 

[BeeBlessed]

what's that smell?

What a mean, immature response! Just curious, how old are you anyway?

 

[Cameron143]

She looks very young in the picture.