Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





... more contextually illiterate musings from the one who thinks he understands what the Author of Scripture wants us to know ...
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Those who Christ died for cannot be condemned !

 

[brightfame52]

Are the elect Justified before God by the bare fact alone they are elect and Christ died for them ?

Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Now in considering your reply, consider # 1 was the alone satisfaction made by Christ, be full satisfaction unto the Justice of God or not?

# 2 If Christs alone oblation satisfied Gods Justice of the elect, then that fact alone advocates their discharge acquittal. 41

 

[brightfame52]

Col 2:14 shows that all the sin debts owed to Gods law and Justice against the elect have been blotted out the record books

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So in the day of Judgment, they have nothing to fear as others who will be Judged out the books Rev 20:12

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[brightfame52]

Christs death for them He died for, made an end to sin, which of course leaves them Justified. Lets look at a scripture that states this, and is the perfect complement to Col 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

He made an end of sins because they were nailed to His Cross and taken out of the way, never to come back again against them.

Also those for whom Christ made an end of sins for, brought to them an everlasting righteousness, which also covers them unto Justification!

 

[brightfame52]

Where Gods Elect Justified before and by God while they were ungodly?

The mere fact alone they are Gods elect means they are Justified Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Even when the elect are in a unregenerate state dead in sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, they are yet still Gods elect and therefore Justified before God.

As long as a person is one of Gods elect nothing shall be laid to their charge by God!

An elect is an elect while in a lost state even as a sheep is a sheep while in a lost state Lk 15:4-6

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

 

[rrcn]

I didn't read the whole 221 pages but I suspect someone already got my answer. Anyone whose name is not in the book of life will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.

Revelation 20:15: "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[brightfame52]

We know that Christs Death alone Justifed the ungodly elect whom He died for. This is true because He died for the ungodly Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

And we know that He Justified many because He bare their sins Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

To bear their iniquities and to die for them are one and the same. 42

 

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Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

We have already gone through these verses, brightfame52:

the "elect" referred to in Rom 8:33 are those who are born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:4) ... those in whom the Spirit of God dwells (Rom 8:9) ... those who are led by the Spirit of God (Rom 8:14) ... those who love God (Rom 8:28) ... those who are being conformed to the image of His Son (Rom 8:29)

I have told you before and I will continue to tell you ...

God's purpose is that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Once the whosoever believeth is born again, then the Elect (the Lord Jesus Christ) is in him or her and he or she is in the Elect ... then he or she is considered "elect". This truth does not negate the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.

If Christs alone oblation satisfied Gods Justice of the elect, then that fact alone advocates their discharge acquittal.

If they reject their Advocate, then there is no "discharge acquittal".
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[reneweddaybyday]

Even when the elect are in a unregenerate state dead in sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, they are yet still Gods elect and therefore Justified before God.

... nope ... God imputes righteousness when a person believes ... at that moment the person is "Justified before God" ... at that moment the person is no longer "unregenerate" ... "dead in sins" ... "children of wrath as others".

An elect is an elect while in a lost state even as a sheep is a sheep while in a lost state Lk 15:4-6

in your erroneous surmisings, you completely obfuscate what Jesus was talking about in the parables in Luke 15.

In Luke 15 Jesus was talking to the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus ate with publicans and sinners ... something the "elect" pharisees and scribes would never do. Because they believed they were "elect", the pharisees and scribes separated themselves from the common folks and would have nothing to do with them ... publicans and sinners were considered "unclean".

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The ninety and nine just persons which need no repentance refers to the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus ate with publicans and sinners.

there is joy in heaven when sinners repent.

The pharisees and scribes need to repent just as the publicans and sinners need to repent ... the pharisees and scribes just didn't believe they needed to repent ... they believed they were "Gods elect and therefore Justified before God" even while they were "in a unregenerate state dead in sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others".


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[reneweddaybyday]

Col 2:14

Rev 20:12

conflating what is written in Colossians 2:14 with what is written in Revelation 20:12 is improper interpretation of Scripture.

Col 2:14

Dan 9:24

conflating what is written in Colossians 2:14 with what is written in Daniel 9:24 is improper interpretation of Scripture.

Rom 5:6

Isa 53:11

conflating what is written in Romans 5:6 with what is written in Isaiah 53:11 is improper interpretation of Scripture.


Your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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[brightfame52]

To be Justified by or through Faith is something God promised to do, so Justification by Faith is Gods Blessing, whereas today men have construed it to be faith as a condition men do in order to get God to Justify them. But that its all of Gospel Promise, of what God would do is seen here

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Rom 3:29-30

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith f

 

[brightfame52]

We have already gone through these verses, brightfame52:

the "elect" referred to in Rom 8:33 are those who are born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:4) ... those in whom the Spirit of God dwells (Rom 8:9) ... those who are led by the Spirit of God (Rom 8:14) ... those who love God (Rom 8:28) ... those who are being conformed to the image of His Son (Rom 8:29)

I have told you before and I will continue to tell you ...

God's purpose is that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Once the whosoever believeth is born again, then the Elect (the Lord Jesus Christ) is in him or her and he or she is in the Elect ... then he or she is considered "elect". This truth does not negate the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.





If they reject their Advocate, then there is no "discharge acquittal".
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If Christs alone oblation satisfied Gods Justice of the elect, then that fact alone advocates their discharge acquittal.

 

[brightfame52]

... nope ... God imputes righteousness when a person believes ... at that moment the person is "Justified before God" ... at that moment the person is no longer "unregenerate" ... "dead in sins" ... "children of wrath as others".





in your erroneous surmisings, you completely obfuscate what Jesus was talking about in the parables in Luke 15.

In Luke 15 Jesus was talking to the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus ate with publicans and sinners ... something the "elect" pharisees and scribes would never do. Because they believed they were "elect", the pharisees and scribes separated themselves from the common folks and would have nothing to do with them ... publicans and sinners were considered "unclean".

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The ninety and nine just persons which need no repentance refers to the pharisees and scribes who murmured because Jesus ate with publicans and sinners.

there is joy in heaven when sinners repent.

The pharisees and scribes need to repent just as the publicans and sinners need to repent ... the pharisees and scribes just didn't believe they needed to repent ... they believed they were "Gods elect and therefore Justified before God" even while they were "in a unregenerate state dead in sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others".


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Even when the elect are in a unregenerate state dead in sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, they are yet still Gods elect and therefore Justified before God.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Rom 3:29-30

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith f

... you rip Galatians 3:8 and Romans 3:29-30 from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses in your futile attempt to rewrite Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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[brightfame52]

... you rip Galatians 3:8 and Romans 3:29-30 from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses in your futile attempt to rewrite Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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You dont believe the promise.