Why Won't I Vote for Trump?

[Nehemiah6]

I do not condemn anyone who chooses to vote for the lesser of the evil, just stating in my opinion to do so will never fix the problem.

While the problem may not be fixed, a decision needs to be made to stop evildoers and Satan from taking control. Therefore the lesser of two evils is the proper response.

The Communists had already made it clear that they would promote their destructive agenda. But no one saw Communism (or refused to recognize it) and excused a feeble, cognitively deficient, and dementia-plagued man to take control. Who is actually controlled by the real Communists. He is just a puppet doing the bidding of others bent on totally destroying America (and succeeding).

 

[iamsoandso]

If someone refuses to vote for the "lesser of two evils",
they are assenting to the "greater of two evils."

If you are fine condoning the greater of two evils...
then go ahead.

Personally, that bothers me.




I'm not trying to disparage any of the people here,
I just think we need to think harder.

God Bless.

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The lesser of two evils reverses it's self from state to state though. Texas is an great example of this in that for almost 30 years there has not been a Democrat Governor in office(A. Richards was the last in 1995) https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/governors.html

The thing is though over the last 30 years Texas has turned into a garbage dump where most of it's rivers are so polluted you aren't suppose to eat the fish or swim in them. That isn't the worst of it though the Trinity River is the wastewater from Dallas which flows down to lake Livingston then down to Houston and is their water supply. https://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/2...water-keeps-trinity-flowing-houston-drinking/

As if that's not bad enough then we get to catch cancer from the plants they allow to release into the air https://www.businessinsider.com/can...ution-houston-channelview-jacintoport-2023-12

Then there's all the jobs Abbott was bragging about creating where we employee 1,600,000 undocumented migrants(second most only to California) https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/21/texas-immigrants-pew-research/

And we will never budge from the 7.25 minimum wage(because we hate our own people and want to keep them on welfare and in poverty?),,,well at least enough that we fight tooth and nail to keep everyone in poverty https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...ed-income-paxton-appeal-denied-uplift-harris/

We're also one of those Red states that did not agree with the Affordable Heath Care Act and so since we don't participate in it we still abide by the estate recovery program so we can seize our peoples homes,property ect. when they die or if they don't own anything we can force their children to pay back the Medicaid bills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid_Estate_Recovery_Program

I guess I could go on and on but after three decades of nothing but Republicans running Texas and watching them run things I'm not so convinced that this actually is the "lesser of two evils" at all(it's far worse),,,lol

 

[DRobinson]

While the problem may not be fixed, a decision needs to be made to stop evildoers and Satan from taking control. Therefore the lesser of two evils is the proper response.

The Communists had already made it clear that they would promote their destructive agenda. But no one saw Communism (or refused to recognize it) and excused a feeble, cognitively deficient, and dementia-plagued man to take control. Who is actually controlled by the real Communists. He is just a puppet doing the bidding of others bent on totally destroying America (and succeeding).

Why should I take advice from someone who does not live or vote in this nation?
Why not just but out of the affairs of this nation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why should I take advice from someone who does not live or vote in this nation?

Why not? What happens in the USA affects the whole world, particularly Canada. You don't need my "advice". I am giving all readers my opinion. If you don't like it move on. Others appreciate my input.

 

[maxwel]

The lesser of two evils reverses it's self from state to state though.

I guess I could go on and on but after three decades of nothing but Republicans running Texas and watching them run things I'm not so convinced that this actually is the "lesser of two evils" at all(it's far worse),,,lol

I made no case for any particular candidate, or any particular policy.

I only made a philosophical case that rather than abstaining, it seems a better course of action to vote for the "better thing", because when we abstain from voting we automatically give our consent to the "worse thing."
(If we abstain, we give up our ability to prevent the "worse thing", and we thus allow the "worse thing.")




If we want to talk about how to differentiate good things from bad things, that's a different conversation, and beyond the scope of my previous comments.


God Bless.

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[DRobinson]

Why not? What happens in the USA affects the whole world, particularly Canada. You don't need my "advice". I am giving all readers my opinion. If you don't like it move on. Others appreciate my input.

How have you improved the agenda of your own country?
When you folks get things fixed up there, then I might listen to you.

 

[maxwel]

How have you improved the agenda of your own country?
When you folks get things fixed up there, then I might listen to you.

You have no obligation to listen to Nehemiah now, or ever.
But Nehemiah does have the right to speak freely.


God Bless.

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[DRobinson]

I made no case for any particular candidate, or any particular policy.

I only made a philosophical case that rather than abstaining, it seems a better course of action to vote for the "better thing", because when we abstain from voting we automatically give our consent to the "worse thing."
(If we abstain, we give up our ability to prevent the "worse thing", and we thus allow the "worse thing.")




If we want to talk about how to differentiate good things from bad things, that's a different conversation, and beyond the scope of my previous comments.


God Bless.

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I respect your position, but must disagree.
To continue to support a system that is broken is not the answer.
And to vote for the lesser of evil is to support that broken system.
Just my opinion.
Some one suggested we should have the choice to vote for none of the above and maybe we could get that amended to the constitution.

 

[DRobinson]

You have no obligation to listen to Nehemiah now, or ever.
But Nehemiah does have the right to speak freely.


God Bless.

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Yes he does and I support that, but my question was about anyone taking advice from someone who does not have the same right you and I have in this nation.
I see many things wrong in his country but would never suggest who I think he should support.
Not my place.

 

[maxwel]

I respect your position, but must disagree.
To continue to support a system that is broken is not the answer.
And to vote for the lesser of evil is to support that broken system.
Just my opinion.
Some one suggested we should have the choice to vote for none of the above and maybe we could get that amended to the constitution.

We live in a fallen world, where every system, of every kind, is broken, or corrupted, to some degree.

If we were to follow your perspective to it's ultimate conclusions, the perspective that we are obligated to opt out of broken or corrupted systems...
we'd have to opt out of ALL human systems... all the way down to our banks, internet providers, and phone companies.



I believe your position is entirely well intended, but I also feel it is ultimately untenable.


God Bless.
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[maxwel]

Yes he does and I support that, but my question was about anyone taking advice from someone who does not have the same right you and I have in this nation.
I see many things wrong in his country but would never suggest who I think he should support.
Not my place.

Neither of us have to take Nehemiah's advice.
The entire world is free to ignore him.
But he still has a right to speak his mind.

Furthermore, if a foreigner AGREED with all of your political views, would you still want him to be silent?
Well... most likely not.
The problem we have with people, generally, is just whether or not they agree with us.
We're all human, and disagreement tends to ruffle us.

God Bless.

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[DRobinson]

We live in a fallen world, where every system, of every kind, is broken, or corrupted, to some degree.

If we were to follow your perspective to it's ultimate conclusions, the perspective that we are obligated to opt out of broken or corrupted systems...
we'd have to opt out of ALL human systems... all the way down to our banks, internet providers, and phone companies.



I believe your position is entirely well intended, but I also feel it is ultimately untenable.


God Bless.
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Here is where i stand.
I believe all have come to rely on the many corrupted systems, our ability to correct them, and those systems to solve the problems this nation faces, when we should be focusing on what the Lord has commanded us to do.
I pray daily for this country, its leaders, its people, and thank God for all the blessing I have enjoyed in my 80 years.
I am still very active in local and state government affairs.
I will vote in this national election as I have done since 1966, but this year I will not vote for the Dem or Rep candidate for president.
We are where we are today because we have voted for the lesser of evil for a very long time.
It will not change until we all say enough is enough, I will longer be a part of this madness.
To vote for Trump or Biden is , in my opinion, saying I approve of this man being in charge of this nation I love so much.
I know I am in a very small minority, even among my many friends, but I must do what I must do and encourage each of you to do the same.

 

[maxwel]

Here is where i stand.
I believe all have come to rely on the many corrupted systems, our ability to correct them, and those systems to solve the problems this nation faces, when we should be focusing on what the Lord has commanded us to do.
I pray daily for this country, its leaders, its people, and thank God for all the blessing I have enjoyed in my 80 years.
I am still very active in local and state government affairs.
I will vote in this national election as I have done since 1966, but this year I will not vote for the Dem or Rep candidate for president.
We are where we are today because we have voted for the lesser of evil for a very long time.
It will not change until we all say enough is enough, I will longer be a part of this madness.
To vote for Trump or Biden is , in my opinion, saying I approve of this man being in charge of this nation I love so much.
I know I am in a very small minority, even among my many friends, but I must do what I must do and encourage each of you to do the same.

If you have strong personal convictions, in your own conscience, then you should follow your conscience.

However, when you bring those convictions to a public forum, and posit them as a good course of action for others....
now that opens your views up for debate.


God Bless.

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[DRobinson]

If you have strong personal convictions, in your own conscience, then you should follow your conscience.

However, when you bring those convictions to a public forum, and posit them as a good course of action for others....
now that opens your views up for debate.


God Bless.

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I understand that completely and it should be that way.
We all have a right to express our concerns and that should be respected by all and the person not belittled for his views.
I am presenting my side and my reason to this debate.
This country is more divided than at any time in my life and we need someone who at least tries to unite us.
I see the two people offered to us as being just the opposite.
It seem to me their attitude is my way or no way.
I fear there will be blood in the streets no matter who wins and we as saints will suffer the most.
I pray I am wrong.

 

[Nehemiah6]

How have you improved the agenda of your own country?

Canada is almost a big disaster as America, and the same ideology has controlled the elites. But since most posters are not Canadian, there is little point in talking about Communist Trudeau and the others destroying Canada.

 

[Cameron143]

Canada is almost a big disaster as America, and the same ideology has controlled the elites. But since most posters are not Canadian, there is little point in talking about Communist Trudeau and the others destroying Canada.

Make Canada Great Again!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Make Canada Great Again!

Maxime Bernier would be the guy to do something, but he is working at a disadvantage. The so-called "conservatives" are just like the RINOs -- weak and useless. When the Freedom Convoy went to Ottawa, not one of them stepped out of Parliament and stood with those brave truckers. But Bernier did.

 

[Cameron143]

Maxime Bernier would be the guy to do something, but he is working at a disadvantage. The so-called "conservatives" are just like the RINOs -- weak and useless. When the Freedom Convoy went to Ottawa, not one of them stepped out of Parliament and stood with those brave truckers. But Bernier did.

Nothing will change anywhere unless and until people rise up. I'm surprised people put up with so much. People better wake up while there is still time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Nothing will change anywhere unless and until people rise up. I'm surprised people put up with so much. People better wake up while there is still time.

The Canadian truckers set an example for American and other truckers and farmers. But Trudeau immediately tried to destroy them and tried to declare a national "emergency", because he could not handle the truth, or the fact that Canadians were actually standing up to COVID tyranny in a huge way. Check out the footage on the Freedom Convoy (if it has not already been destroyed, banned, and suppressed). Doctors and nurses in the Canada Health Alliance also stood up to COVID tyranny. https://canadahealthalliance.org/about-cha/

 

[maxwel]

Canada is almost a big disaster as America, and the same ideology has controlled the elites. But since most posters are not Canadian, there is little point in talking about Communist Trudeau and the others destroying Canada.

This whole matter about discussing politics in another country is a weird issue.

1.) Most people feel a bit ruffled when someone outside their country criticizes their political views or their country's policies.
2.) However, people ONLY get ruffled in this way if the foreigner DISAGREES with them... not if they AGREE.
3.) What does this mean?
4.) It means this whole matter is purely emotional. It's not a logical argument, it's an emotional response.
5.) However, the opinions of people in one country should not be given any political WEIGHT in another country, such as allowing them to VOTE. But as it turns out... THEY CANNOT. So why should we care if they just voice their opinion?
6.) There are some exceptions, where speech crosses the line from mere words to physical reality. (Examples would be threats of violence, or fomenting regime change or destruction. I'm not a fan of immigrants chanting 'Death To America' while we welcome them and meet all their needs. That is literally the kind of thing invading armies have shouted when invading another country. Not ok.) But this is really an entirely different issue.
7.) Conclusion:
It seems fine, under normal circumstances, for people to say what they like, and if we don't agree we're free to either debate or ignore them... just as we do with everything else.

But it is a curious topic.

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