No, it isn't. The Scripture I gave you means exactly what it says. Full stop. The Scripture you gave me is in question simply because Israel has never had the full amount of land. Maps show this to be fact. So I don't disbelieve Scripture. I believe to that point God kept His promise, I believe that He will continue to fulfill it till all the land He promised they possess. I'm not disagreeing, I'm it's not finished yet. You are disagreeing with what the verses say.
Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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No, it isn't. The Scripture I gave you means exactly what it says. Full stop. The Scripture you gave me is in question simply because Israel has never had the full amount of land. Maps show this to be fact. So I don't disbelieve Scripture. I believe to that point God kept His promise, I believe that He will continue to fulfill it till all the land He promised they possess. I'm not disagreeing, I'm it's not finished yet. You are disagreeing with what the verses say.
Preach it, brother, and a hearty amen to what you have said here (as is often the case).
Not too long ago someone made quite an extensive post going on and on about how if you are not a five-point Calvinist you are not saved. It started out a little milder than how he ended, like, for instance, at first speaking along the lines of he wasn't sure they are saved, then it progressed to surely they don't know Jesus, and finally, they're going to burn in hell for an eternity. Gosh. And, well, you just know how I feel about all that, too, don't you? .
. I did not respond, though almost wish I had. Oh! I wanted to tell you that I am still chuckling about that rock...
This next panel is a bit of a departure from my norm. The one you commented on is from about a year and a half ago, but I think it was around then that I started finding more ephemera like faces and facial parts (eyes especially) to work with in my collaging .
Revelation 21:8
Not too long ago someone made quite an extensive post going on and on about how if you are not a five-point Calvinist you are not saved. It started out a little milder than how he ended, like, for instance, at first speaking along the lines of he wasn't sure they are saved, then it progressed to surely they don't know Jesus, and finally, they're going to burn in hell for an eternity. Gosh. And, well, you just know how I feel about all that, too, don't you? .
. I did not respond, though almost wish I had. Oh! I wanted to tell you that I am still chuckling about that rock...This next panel is a bit of a departure from my norm. The one you commented on is from about a year and a half ago, but I think it was around then that I started finding more ephemera like faces and facial parts (eyes especially) to work with in my collaging .
Revelation 21:8
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Ya, I thought so. I answered this already. You're asking the same question four different ways. I shared verses that said a person can walk away God. I said the following...
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
Preach it, brother, and a hearty amen to what you have said here (as is often the case).
Not too long ago someone made quite an extensive post going on and on about how if you are not a five-point Calvinist you are not saved. It started out a little milder than how he ended, like, for instance, at first speaking along the lines of he wasn't sure they are saved, then it progressed to surely they don't know Jesus, and finally, they're going to burn in hell for an eternity. Gosh. And, well, you just know how I feel about all that, too, don't you? .. I did not respond, though almost wish I had. Oh! I wanted to tell you that I am still chuckling about that rock...
This next panel is a bit of a departure from my norm. The one you commented on is from about a year and a half ago, but I think it was around then that I started finding more ephemera like faces and facial parts (eyes especially) to work with in my collaging .
Revelation 21:8
Not too long ago someone made quite an extensive post going on and on about how if you are not a five-point Calvinist you are not saved. It started out a little milder than how he ended, like, for instance, at first speaking along the lines of he wasn't sure they are saved, then it progressed to surely they don't know Jesus, and finally, they're going to burn in hell for an eternity. Gosh. And, well, you just know how I feel about all that, too, don't you? .
. I did not respond, though almost wish I had. Oh! I wanted to tell you that I am still chuckling about that rock...This next panel is a bit of a departure from my norm. The one you commented on is from about a year and a half ago, but I think it was around then that I started finding more ephemera like faces and facial parts (eyes especially) to work with in my collaging .
Revelation 21:8
and yes I believe we discussed that subject a time or two when I arrived here so I do know your positions on all of that sister !! lol pretty thoroughly I feel like
thats one of the discussions here I learned the most from to be honest with you regarding some questions I had after the discussion i was pretty sure about them
your a blessing sister in more ways than one !!!
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Look brother this is mankind’s plight God declared this
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
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You shared some scriptures, but you did not answer my questions. Romans 8 says it is impossible to separate one in Christ from the Father's love. Great deal is given to all the things that cannot do the separating coming to the conclusion that nothing can. So given this truth, please share with me what can separate one in Christ from God's love?
Nothing does or can. So the verse in question cannot mean the persons in question were ever in Christ. Thus, they were not saved. They had not been redeemed. They could only profess to be bought, and yet their very actions evidence that this is not so. That would mean Jesus lost a sheep, which He Himself claims is not possible.
The other questions I asked come out the same way. It is impossible to have eternal life and then not possess it, by definition.
There is no spiritual process for someone to be unborn again. Or there is, I've never come across it in scripture. I'll gladly be corrected.
Nothing does or can. So the verse in question cannot mean the persons in question were ever in Christ. Thus, they were not saved. They had not been redeemed. They could only profess to be bought, and yet their very actions evidence that this is not so. That would mean Jesus lost a sheep, which He Himself claims is not possible.
The other questions I asked come out the same way. It is impossible to have eternal life and then not possess it, by definition.
There is no spiritual process for someone to be unborn again. Or there is, I've never come across it in scripture. I'll gladly be corrected.
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Look brother this is mankind’s plight God declared this
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
Look brother this is mankind’s plight God declared this
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4
This happened
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
We aren’t already alive you see ? All of man is appointed to Gods wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:24-27 KJV
Life only comes from the jesus we’re all doomed all condemned to death until we accept him
Ezekiel 18:4 + 32
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No. He never had an inheritance. It only appeared he did. His behavior revealed this. He was not known of God. Neither did he know God; for if he had, he would have walked by faith.
The just shall walk by faith is not a command. Rather, it is characteristic of the just. They don't walk by faith and become just; they walk by faith because they are just.
The just shall walk by faith is not a command. Rather, it is characteristic of the just. They don't walk by faith and become just; they walk by faith because they are just.
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The old covenant is a works covenant. The new covenant is not. Well, it was for Jesus, but not us. Once we believe, we are sealed. We are placed into Christ, there is no longer any condemnation, and all that is His is now ours...either presently or in eternity.
This doesn't mean that believers can sin with impunity. God chastens His own. So we will come to know the fear and the admonition of the Lord.
This doesn't mean that believers can sin with impunity. God chastens His own. So we will come to know the fear and the admonition of the Lord.
The non elect can never be born again. A wise man proved that it's impossible by asking Jesus, "can a man enter into his mothers womb and be born again". The man said that's impossible and Jesus agreed with him saying, "it's impossible, but all things are possible with God"
So there you have it, Jesus proved that it's impossible. but He said it's only possible if God does it, if you can't see that then, you're blind.
So there you have it, Jesus proved that it's impossible. but He said it's only possible if God does it, if you can't see that then, you're blind.