Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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yeah if we ignore it it won’t help
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:5 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:5 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
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PaulThomson said:
You are wrong. John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
Jesus atoned for all and bought all and has been given all and raises all from the dead an judges all.
You disagree with John 5:28-29? You disagree that Jesus is the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world. You disagree that the only thing that keeps anyone out of Jesus' kingdom is refusing to trust the King?
You are wrong. John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
Jesus atoned for all and bought all and has been given all and raises all from the dead an judges all.
You disagree with John 5:28-29? You disagree that Jesus is the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world. You disagree that the only thing that keeps anyone out of Jesus' kingdom is refusing to trust the King?
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The “Five Points of Calvinism” summarize the faith’s basic tenets, although some historians contend that it distorts the nuance of Calvin’s own theological positions.
The Five Points:
"“Total depravity” asserts that as a consequence of the fall of man into sin, every person is enslaved to sin. People are not by nature inclined to love God, but rather to serve their own interests and to reject the rule of God. Thus, all people by their own faculties are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because they are unwilling to do so out of the necessity of their own natures.
“Unconditional election” asserts that God has chosen from eternity those whom he will bring to himself not based on foreseen virtue, merit, or faith in those people; rather, his choice is unconditionally grounded in his mercy alone. God has chosen from eternity to extend mercy to those he has chosen and to withhold mercy from those not chosen. Those chosen receive salvation through Christ alone. Those not chosen receive the just wrath that is warranted for their sins against God.
“Limited atonement” asserts that Jesus’s substitutionary atonement was definite and certain in its purpose and in what it accomplished. This implies that only the sins of the elect were atoned for by Jesus’s death. Calvinists do not believe, however, that the atonement is limited in its value or power, but rather that the atonement is limited in the sense that it is intended for some and not all. All Calvinists would affirm that the blood of Christ was sufficient to pay for every single human being IF it were God’s intention to save every single human being.
“Irresistible grace” asserts that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom he has determined to save (that is, the elect) and overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to a saving faith. This means that when God sovereignly purposes to save someone, that individual certainly will be saved. The doctrine holds that this purposeful influence of God’s Holy Spirit cannot be resisted.
“Perseverance of the saints” asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion with himself will continue in faith until the end."
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/a...m is a major branch,in the salvation of souls.
The “Five Points of Calvinism” summarize the faith’s basic tenets, although some historians contend that it distorts the nuance of Calvin’s own theological positions.
The Five Points:
"“Total depravity” asserts that as a consequence of the fall of man into sin, every person is enslaved to sin. People are not by nature inclined to love God, but rather to serve their own interests and to reject the rule of God. Thus, all people by their own faculties are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because they are unwilling to do so out of the necessity of their own natures.
“Unconditional election” asserts that God has chosen from eternity those whom he will bring to himself not based on foreseen virtue, merit, or faith in those people; rather, his choice is unconditionally grounded in his mercy alone. God has chosen from eternity to extend mercy to those he has chosen and to withhold mercy from those not chosen. Those chosen receive salvation through Christ alone. Those not chosen receive the just wrath that is warranted for their sins against God.
“Limited atonement” asserts that Jesus’s substitutionary atonement was definite and certain in its purpose and in what it accomplished. This implies that only the sins of the elect were atoned for by Jesus’s death. Calvinists do not believe, however, that the atonement is limited in its value or power, but rather that the atonement is limited in the sense that it is intended for some and not all. All Calvinists would affirm that the blood of Christ was sufficient to pay for every single human being IF it were God’s intention to save every single human being.
“Irresistible grace” asserts that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom he has determined to save (that is, the elect) and overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel, bringing them to a saving faith. This means that when God sovereignly purposes to save someone, that individual certainly will be saved. The doctrine holds that this purposeful influence of God’s Holy Spirit cannot be resisted.
“Perseverance of the saints” asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion with himself will continue in faith until the end."
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/a...m is a major branch,in the salvation of souls.
Amen
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-31 KJV
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
….For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 46-48 KJV
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-31 KJV
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
….For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 46-48 KJV
Yeah Studying differences theology isn’t an interest of mine, others find it interesting and useful I don’t .
I literally have avoided it I realized my own opinion was it’s fodder for endless arguments and judging other people “ you don’t have the holy spirit like I do because you dont agree with the same things I do “ “ my denomination has all the right answers all others are wrong and not official not of God corrupt ect ect “ is often where it leads most often really and isnt for seeking the truth but more for “proving I’m right “ and your wrong which then needs to avoid much that shows I wasnt really right all the way lol
I believe the differences are because each only sees some parts and refuse to adjust when they see other things present and clear they hadn’t before
house divided will not and there’s just one church in all the world from Africa to the North Pole to Australia to China to the good ole USA God only has one church on earth but denominations actions divide them into opposing sections based on what each one’s leader said
Martin luther …Calvin …ect ect ect it comes down to a man’s interpretation of Christianity …. Rather then the Christs declaration of Christianity to all people in tbe everlasting and unchanging gospel
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4
i believe the things Jesus taught whatever label that brings so be it is how I see it
I agree with you I’m just a common Christian bout 2000 years after Jesus lives and died and rose again that’s all I really identify with other than an old fool who really needed a savior in this life and am thankful to the lord who is that very thing I needed and many others need
I literally have avoided it I realized my own opinion was it’s fodder for endless arguments and judging other people “ you don’t have the holy spirit like I do because you dont agree with the same things I do “ “ my denomination has all the right answers all others are wrong and not official not of God corrupt ect ect “ is often where it leads most often really and isnt for seeking the truth but more for “proving I’m right “ and your wrong which then needs to avoid much that shows I wasnt really right all the way lol
I believe the differences are because each only sees some parts and refuse to adjust when they see other things present and clear they hadn’t before
house divided will not and there’s just one church in all the world from Africa to the North Pole to Australia to China to the good ole USA God only has one church on earth but denominations actions divide them into opposing sections based on what each one’s leader said
Martin luther …Calvin …ect ect ect it comes down to a man’s interpretation of Christianity …. Rather then the Christs declaration of Christianity to all people in tbe everlasting and unchanging gospel
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4
i believe the things Jesus taught whatever label that brings so be it is how I see it
I agree with you I’m just a common Christian bout 2000 years after Jesus lives and died and rose again that’s all I really identify with other than an old fool who really needed a savior in this life and am thankful to the lord who is that very thing I needed and many others need
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Right the difference in the law is he was under this rule and ordination
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
Exodus 23:20-21 KJV
So then you get this dispostion delivering the word to the people
“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
Numbers 15:32, 35-36 KJV
And so the wayward disobedient son under the law
“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
that’s how far from Christianity ( being in Christs doctrine ) the law is
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
Exodus 23:20-21 KJV
So then you get this dispostion delivering the word to the people
“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
Numbers 15:32, 35-36 KJV
And so the wayward disobedient son under the law
“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
that’s how far from Christianity ( being in Christs doctrine ) the law is
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Acts 17:30
i really like some of the textures in there and sort of how it has a “ sprinkled “ look that’s really cool
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Nope you purposely set out posting comments to me, knowingly pretending your not ignoring me, when you know fine well you wasn't ignoring me, by digging up threads that are long dead, you where hoping you could get me respond by making me feel ignored, your the ignorant one
So no accusing people of being ignorant is a measure of your own ignorance, which you are using to provoke @Charlie_2024 , which is hardly a way to proclaim Gods message.
So no accusing people of being ignorant is a measure of your own ignorance, which you are using to provoke @Charlie_2024 , which is hardly a way to proclaim Gods message.
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Post 1549 has my questions.
And what I meant in my response was that you asked me to believe the scripture in question. That's what I asked of you. God gave them the land. It was Israel themselves who didn't appropriate it for themselves. Nevertheless, God stated very clearly in scripture that He had fulfilled His promise concerning the land. And my point was that here you accept the plain rendering of scripture and in that case you do not. It is the very thing you and others have claimed of others. And my point in doing so isn't to point out any wrongdoing on your part or theirs, but merely point out that we all go beyond the apparent meaning of scripture when we believe it doesn't harmonize to us with other paasages.
And what I meant in my response was that you asked me to believe the scripture in question. That's what I asked of you. God gave them the land. It was Israel themselves who didn't appropriate it for themselves. Nevertheless, God stated very clearly in scripture that He had fulfilled His promise concerning the land. And my point was that here you accept the plain rendering of scripture and in that case you do not. It is the very thing you and others have claimed of others. And my point in doing so isn't to point out any wrongdoing on your part or theirs, but merely point out that we all go beyond the apparent meaning of scripture when we believe it doesn't harmonize to us with other paasages.