Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
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Now copy the word rapture from the bible.
It's like the falling away.
I can quote the falling away like this.
2 Thes 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
See how I can quote the falling away,?
I could change the words falling away to rapture but would it still be biblical?
If I'm not mistaken, "they" claimed it [our rapture] would take place "before the DAY OF THE LORD" can be present (to unfold upon the earth)... which is what 2Th2:1-2 and verse 3b is conveying.
"The Day of the Lord" (not being "a singular 24-hr day kind of 'day') is an earthly-located TIME-PERIOD of MUCH DURATION, and which COMMENCES at the START of the "7 year period" (not at its END), i.e. at the same moment as the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" of the man of sin occurs (not at the LATER "sitteth in the temple of God" thing, per v.4b [MID-trib]; nor the EVEN LATER v.8b destruction of him [END of trib])
"The Day of the Lord" (not being "a singular 24-hr day kind of 'day') is an earthly-located TIME-PERIOD of MUCH DURATION, and which COMMENCES at the START of the "7 year period" (not at its END), i.e. at the same moment as the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" of the man of sin occurs (not at the LATER "sitteth in the temple of God" thing, per v.4b [MID-trib]; nor the EVEN LATER v.8b destruction of him [END of trib])
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The "beast" who rises "up out of the sea" (Rev13:1) consists of both a governmental entity and an individual-person aspect.
And no, he (the individual-person aspect ['man of sin' / 'antichrist']) has NOT yet "appeared" ('ARRIVAL/COMING/ADVENT/PRESENCE/PAROUSIA'-2Th2:9a of "the man of sin"). [see my previous post ^ ]
And no, he (the individual-person aspect ['man of sin' / 'antichrist']) has NOT yet "appeared" ('ARRIVAL/COMING/ADVENT/PRESENCE/PAROUSIA'-2Th2:9a of "the man of sin"). [see my previous post ^ ]
The tares are gathered and tossed into the fire before the wheat is gatherd.
Those tares are raptured.
Mathew 13
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
It's going to be like the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking and ignorant about what was about to take place untill the flood came and raptured them away.
Absolutely correct. The Antichrist of the end times is the greater Goliath. Both of whom are of the seed of the serpent.
Just as Judas was indwelt by Satan himself, so will be the antichrist of the end times.
This Satanic greater Judas vastly powerful hybrid will proclaim himself to be God, blaspheming God day and night. And the world will see him as an unbeatable unkillable warrior.
Just like Goliath. Except far more powerful and far more evil.
And when Jesus comes he will kill him effortlessly exactly the same way as Samson tore apart the lion like a young goat.
Just as Judas was indwelt by Satan himself, so will be the antichrist of the end times.
This Satanic greater Judas vastly powerful hybrid will proclaim himself to be God, blaspheming God day and night. And the world will see him as an unbeatable unkillable warrior.
Just like Goliath. Except far more powerful and far more evil.
And when Jesus comes he will kill him effortlessly exactly the same way as Samson tore apart the lion like a young goat.
You are mis-placing and mis-applying the Greek word "ἁρπαγησόμεθα harpagēsometha ['SNATCH']," which is NOWHERE to be found in the Matthew 13 text.
The "TARES" in Matthew 13 are (like the WHEAT) "STILL-LIVING" persons existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH--Not "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot and circumstances and setting). IOW, NO ONE is being "resurrected" in the Wheat and Tares separation judgment / gatherings.
THEY (the "TARES") will be gathered BY the REAPERS / ANGELS (that "He shall SEND" to do so);
...and in this context/setting, the "TARES" will be collected "FIRST" (NOT SO in "our Rapture" context, which will take place in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of this passage!)
Additionally,
We ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest; There is MORE THAN ONE "harvest" in Scripture as well as in nature (note: I do NOT say "more than one 'RAPTURE'"... NO!)
In Leviticus 23, are TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" (connected with differing "harvest" times)... and James 1:18 also says, "A KIND of firstfruit" (i.e. MORE THAN ONE "KIND"), agreeing... So in Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO "FIRSTFRUIT" mentioned in that chpt) corresponding to the "WHEAT" harvest, it says, "TWO LOAVES" and "baken WITH LEAVEN" (<--These do NOT describe us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which is described in scripture ELSEwise!)
Rather, Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" in Lev23) corresponds with the wording of Rev14:4 (said of the "144,000" of the nation of ISRAEL)... ;
The "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement); whereas the EARLIER harvest by means of "TOSSING INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff"
See the distinction?
The "TARES" in Matthew 13 are (like the WHEAT) "STILL-LIVING" persons existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH--Not "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot and circumstances and setting). IOW, NO ONE is being "resurrected" in the Wheat and Tares separation judgment / gatherings.
THEY (the "TARES") will be gathered BY the REAPERS / ANGELS (that "He shall SEND" to do so);
...and in this context/setting, the "TARES" will be collected "FIRST" (NOT SO in "our Rapture" context, which will take place in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of this passage!)
Additionally,
We ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest; There is MORE THAN ONE "harvest" in Scripture as well as in nature (note: I do NOT say "more than one 'RAPTURE'"... NO!)
In Leviticus 23, are TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" (connected with differing "harvest" times)... and James 1:18 also says, "A KIND of firstfruit" (i.e. MORE THAN ONE "KIND"), agreeing... So in Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO "FIRSTFRUIT" mentioned in that chpt) corresponding to the "WHEAT" harvest, it says, "TWO LOAVES" and "baken WITH LEAVEN" (<--These do NOT describe us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which is described in scripture ELSEwise!)
Rather, Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" in Lev23) corresponds with the wording of Rev14:4 (said of the "144,000" of the nation of ISRAEL)... ;
The "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement); whereas the EARLIER harvest by means of "TOSSING INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff"
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I don't confuse the two.
The first beast (its "mouth"--i.e. individual-person aspect, aka "man of sin"/"antichrist") correlates to same as spoken of in Daniel 7:20b,21 (compare v.21 "made war with the saints and prevailed against them" for example to that of Rev13:[1,]5-7 "it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" )
The first beast (its "mouth"--i.e. individual-person aspect, aka "man of sin"/"antichrist") correlates to same as spoken of in Daniel 7:20b,21 (compare v.21 "made war with the saints and prevailed against them" for example to that of Rev13:[1,]5-7 "it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them"
)Please do inform us.
Just kidding. Since the rapture has not yet taken place, Revelation chapter 6 has not yet happened, and the revealing to the world hass not yet occurred.
By the way the Church (who is/are salt and light.....both preserving agents), must first be taken out of the world.......
Before the putrefication disease and rot of society can truely manifest. Which of course occurs during the time of the tribulation.
Just kidding. Since the rapture has not yet taken place, Revelation chapter 6 has not yet happened, and the revealing to the world hass not yet occurred.
By the way the Church (who is/are salt and light.....both preserving agents), must first be taken out of the world.......
Before the putrefication disease and rot of society can truely manifest. Which of course occurs during the time of the tribulation.
You are conflating some things, here.
The "and THEY knew not until the flood came and took THEM all away" passages... it was NOT Noah who "knew not until"...
...the "THEY / THEM" (who "knew not until") of these passages were those who perished in the flood (they were taken away in judgment... which is what will take place at Christ's Second Coming to the earth, which is what Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [Mt24:3+] is speaking to)
[these "taken [and] left" passages are NOT "rapture" contexts!]
The "and THEY knew not until the flood came and took THEM all away" passages... it was NOT Noah who "knew not until"...
...the "THEY / THEM" (who "knew not until") of these passages were those who perished in the flood (they were taken away in judgment... which is what will take place at Christ's Second Coming to the earth, which is what Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [Mt24:3+] is speaking to)
[these "taken [and] left" passages are NOT "rapture" contexts!]
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You are mis-placing and mis-applying the Greek word "ἁρπαγησόμεθα harpagēsometha ['SNATCH']," which is NOWHERE to be found in the Matthew 13 text.
The "TARES" in Matthew 13 are (like the WHEAT) "STILL-LIVING" persons existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH--Not "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot and circumstances and setting). IOW, NO ONE is being "resurrected" in the Wheat and Tares separation judgment / gatherings.
THEY (the "TARES") will be gathered BY the REAPERS / ANGELS (that "He shall SEND" to do so);
...and in this context/setting, the "TARES" will be collected "FIRST" (NOT SO in "our Rapture" context, which will take place in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of this passage!)
Additionally,
We ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest; There is MORE THAN ONE "harvest" in Scripture as well as in nature (note: I do NOT say "more than one 'RAPTURE'"... NO!)
In Leviticus 23, are TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" (connected with differing "harvest" times)... and James 1:18 also says, "A KIND of firstfruit" (i.e. MORE THAN ONE "KIND"), agreeing... So in Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO "FIRSTFRUIT" mentioned in that chpt) corresponding to the "WHEAT" harvest, it says, "TWO LOAVES" and "baken WITH LEAVEN" (<--These do NOT describe us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which is described in scripture ELSEwise!)
Rather, Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" in Lev23) corresponds with the wording of Rev14:4 (said of the "144,000" of the nation of ISRAEL)... ;
The "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement); whereas the EARLIER harvest by means of "TOSSING INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff" See the distinction?
The "TARES" in Matthew 13 are (like the WHEAT) "STILL-LIVING" persons existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH--Not "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot and circumstances and setting). IOW, NO ONE is being "resurrected" in the Wheat and Tares separation judgment / gatherings.
THEY (the "TARES") will be gathered BY the REAPERS / ANGELS (that "He shall SEND" to do so);
...and in this context/setting, the "TARES" will be collected "FIRST" (NOT SO in "our Rapture" context, which will take place in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of this passage!)
Additionally,
We ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest; There is MORE THAN ONE "harvest" in Scripture as well as in nature (note: I do NOT say "more than one 'RAPTURE'"... NO!)
In Leviticus 23, are TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" (connected with differing "harvest" times)... and James 1:18 also says, "A KIND of firstfruit" (i.e. MORE THAN ONE "KIND"), agreeing... So in Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO "FIRSTFRUIT" mentioned in that chpt) corresponding to the "WHEAT" harvest, it says, "TWO LOAVES" and "baken WITH LEAVEN" (<--These do NOT describe us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" which is described in scripture ELSEwise!)
Rather, Lev23:17 (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "FIRSTFRUIT" in Lev23) corresponds with the wording of Rev14:4 (said of the "144,000" of the nation of ISRAEL)... ;
The "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement); whereas the EARLIER harvest by means of "TOSSING INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff"
See the distinction?
The tares are gathered first in any scenario.
No one is gathered before the tares.
It's the rapture. They are caught away by the reapers and the wheat is left.
I don't confuse the two.
The first beast (its "mouth"--i.e. individual-person aspect, aka "man of sin"/"antichrist") correlates to same as spoken of in Daniel 7:20b,21 (compare v.21 "made war with the saints and prevailed against them" for example to that of Rev13:[1,]5-7 "it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them" )
The first beast (its "mouth"--i.e. individual-person aspect, aka "man of sin"/"antichrist") correlates to same as spoken of in Daniel 7:20b,21 (compare v.21 "made war with the saints and prevailed against them" for example to that of Rev13:[1,]5-7 "it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them"
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Sounds backward to me.
As I read it,the saints are not killed till after the second beast arrives in Israel with the first beast.
Now notice what happens after the man of sin gives his armed forces to the beast in Daniel 11:31
The saints are imprisoned and killed at that time.
Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.
This persecution corresponds to revelation 6:11
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled
Revelation 6:12-17 is years after the man of sin is revealed.
These verses are about the great tribulation when everyone in Israel who recieved the mark of he beast are destroyed.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The saints are imprisoned and killed at that time.
Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.
This persecution corresponds to revelation 6:11
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled
Revelation 6:12-17 is years after the man of sin is revealed.
These verses are about the great tribulation when everyone in Israel who recieved the mark of he beast are destroyed.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?