Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[CS1]

Believing correct doctrine which comes from God is believing in Jesus.

So you are saved by believing?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

This is exactly what I am doing.

Titus 1:9
Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.

I do not see your name in that verse. In fact. anyone could use that verse to say they have the truth..

so you did not do what I asked you to do.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

only after studying it

even then, we can get it wrong (I speak from experience)

 

[MerSee]

So you are saved by believing?

We are saved by being in the correct state of grace.

 

[MerSee]

I do not see your name in that verse. In fact. anyone could use that verse to say they have the truth..

so you did not do what I asked you to do.

That verse is referring to all people, including me, who believe Jesus correctly.

 

[CS1]

even then, we can get it wrong (I speak from experience)

the text you used says fully :

6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.


many want to refute but can't encourage

 

[CS1]

We are saved by being in the correct state of grace.

But because you are elected, you have been placed on the right side of Grace, correct? Are you a Calvinist, right?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That verse is referring to all people, including me, who believe Jesus correctly.

That assumes you believe Jesus correctly.

It does not say you do.

You know what you do when you assume don't you?

 

[MerSee]

But because you are elected, you have been placed on the right side of Grace, correct? Are you a Calvinist, right?

That's what you think; I never claimed to believe that.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We are saved by being in the correct state of grace.

Grace is unmerited. so what state would that be?

Actually Jesus gave us the answer.. do you remember?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

the text you used says fully :

6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.


many want to refute but can't encourage

I was just saying anyone, even an elder. can study the word and still get it wrong..

As far is listening and saying what you were taught.. That assumes the one who taught you was correct.

 

[MerSee]

That assumes you believe Jesus correctly.

It does not say you do.

You know what you do when you assume don't you?

The correct doctrine I believe comes from God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

the text you used says fully :

6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.


many want to refute but can't encourage

I was just saying anyone, even an elder. can study the word and still get it wrong..

As far is listening and saying what you were taught.. That assumes the one who taught you was correct.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The correct doctrine I believe comes from God.

Again, You are assuming

I can say that my doctrine comes from God also. it does not prove I am right, it makes me a self righteous person who is puffing himself up

 

[CS1]

That's what you think; I never claimed to believe that.

that's why I'm asking you not a Calvinist?

 

[MerSee]

Grace is unmerited. so what state would that be?

Actually Jesus gave us the answer.. do you remember?

2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

 

[MerSee]

that's why I'm asking you not a Calvinist?

I believe all correct doctrine which comes from God. Do you believe that means I am a Calvinist? I have never labeled myself a Calvinist.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

Jesus did not say that Paul did.
Again, What did Jesus say

 

[MerSee]

Jesus did not say that Paul did.
Again, What did Jesus say

1 Corinthians 11:27
27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

1 Corinthians 11:27
27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

Paul said this too.

How can anyone understand that you have correct doctrine when you can not even determine what Jesus said vs what someone else said?