Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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not sure what this has to do with Adam... My view is God's life can't die a spiritual death unless he completely destroys his life that exists in man
I feal that God's life in man is governed by the power of life and power of death.
I've given a full explanation here. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/gods-life.214817/
I would encourage our friend @Charlie_2024 to have a read. As he's clearly damaged by doctrine
Adam was perfect. When he was perfect. he had a relationship with God. he could walk with God and talk with God and nothing seperated them
When adam sinned, That relationship was severed. He could not longer do any of those things until that barrier
Don't try to read to much into it, that is how people get confused.
Was the life ie Gods life in Adam controlled by the power of God's life before the fall.
Also before the fall Did Gods life that was in Adam also have the power of death in his life.
This makes no sense
Adam controlled his own life. He was free to do as he chose. Up until the time he chose to eat that one peace of fruit. he chose correctly.
I am sorry, This makes no sense at all.
Adam was an individual, created by God, with his own life.
While I agree with you, Charlie_2024, that nothing now happens outside of God's will, but it also seems to me that a distinction exists between the periods before the fall (in the garden) and the post (garden) fall, after which, everything changed. It seems a contradiction that God would have sternly warned Adam and Eve of death should they eat from the tree and be angry with and judge them for doing so, yet at the same time causing it to happen. Now, I am open to reasoning contrary to that, but have not of myself so far been able to formulate such reasoning. So, by God having chosen to inform us of those details, I am persuaded (at least for now), that He would also have also provided us the information necessary to reconcile them, which reconciliation, might be that everything changed relative to God's involvement in the affairs of mankind after and from the fall of Adam and Eve. Just another way to look at it I guess.
[Jas 1:13 KJV] 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
No, that would then mean that His foreknowledge was based upon the "what" not the "who". But the foreknowledge is of the "who" not the "what".
[Rom 8:29 KJV] 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I agree, it is based on the who
John 6: 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who (whoever) sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
According to the founder of your faith jean Calvin the tulip Doctrine is not obeying his instructions he left before he died in 1554.
As now i have evidence the tulip doctrine was wrote in the 1600s
Jean Calvin quote
John Calvin is perhaps best known for his doctrine of predestination. He taught that God determined before all time who would be eternally saved and who would be condemned to hell. Christians, he said, should not question God's plan, but rather trust in God's good intentions for their personal life and destiny.
When you oversee the tulip doctrine you see that it Questions God's authority.
I don't like what Calvin taught because it's false doctrine.
– For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
-1 Timothy 2:3-4: "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."
The rich young ruler was not an Elect Saint of God, that's why he rejected God and chose to serve Satan. God said, you are the children of the Devi and you do His works"
2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
That is the heart of God!
I think that to understand the verse, Everlasting-Grace, we would first need to know who it is who can truly see and believe in Him.
It is not possible that everyone can do so. To believe is given only to those chosen by God for it. For example:
[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be
justified.
[Jhn 10:26 KJV] 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Well you can always speak to him again.I have placed C. on ingore so I don't get in trouble
Do we have owner to to this site who is a calvinist, is this the reason you may get in trouble, if so would it be possible to See what the owner thinks of the tulip doctrine not obeying John Calvins instructions he left before he died.
I think we need to stop telling Jesus what he said and just take him at his word.
And while we are at it. Stop puffing ourselves up as special people. and fall on our face like the tax collector.
The supposed unelected can choose belief still, to God personally also. God died once willingly in Son for all to choose to believe God over people, snd see what being set free really is, that is not a ritual
God by Son Jesus has elected all to the call. Son died once for all to decide to believe God or not. That be all I see as left, since God by Son took away the sin of the world in Daddy's eye sight, for us all to either believe it or not!
All are called to choose to believe God or not,throughrisen Son or not. Once one, anyone decides to believe God, Son is risen fro them also.
1 John 2:1-4
New International Version
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
John 1:29
New International Version
John Testifies About Jesus
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
It is today Done as said
John 19:30
New International Version
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Three days later, risen and will never die again, God and Son are One (Won) for us all to believe and be won with them as one with them also. By continued belief and not taking it at all for granted and using it at all for any self gain either.
God knows who are who and what is what.
God by Son Jesus has elected all to the call. Son died once for all to decide to believe God or not. That be all I see as left, since God by Son took away the sin of the world in Daddy's eye sight, for us all to either believe it or not!
All are called to choose to believe God or not,throughrisen Son or not. Once one, anyone decides to believe God, Son is risen fro them also.
1 John 2:1-4
New International Version
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
John 1:29
New International Version
John Testifies About Jesus
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
It is today Done as said
John 19:30
New International Version
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Three days later, risen and will never die again, God and Son are One (Won) for us all to believe and be won with them as one with them also. By continued belief and not taking it at all for granted and using it at all for any self gain either.
God knows who are who and what is what.
Wait, didn't I provide verses from the Bible? They ALL were written by God not just some of them.
God directs us to compare in the Bible the spiritual with the spiritual in order to come to a correct interpretation, and that no verse of scripture stands alone - it must be compared and correlated with other like verses. Should we choose not to do so,
we would then be in violation of the rules which God Himself had set forth for our edification - God wrote the Bible so that it be studied in that manner, should we ignore it, we do so at our own peril.
Rogerg,
Would you not agree the way God elected one before Jesus' death, Burial, and resurrection was very much only for Jews, who were those He poured His Spirit on?
Kings, priests, Prophets, Judges, and Rulers?
Yet, Jesus, the statements you used were said to whom? The Jews who surrounded him John 10:26.
The context of HIS Statement was about those who did not see him as the Messiah. Then He told them His sheep know His voice, but they took up stone because He made himself one with God.
The ability to have one's mind open was limited prior to Christ.
Many shouted Hosanna on the day Jesus entered Jerusalem but shouted Crucify him not many days after that.
The Resurrection Power and Message of the Gospel are able to save, is it not? Yet those same people Jesus said you are not my sheep
Could they not be saved after the resurrection because Jesus came to die? Is it not possible that those who shouted Crucify him were saved after Jesus Accended after Jesus said you are not my sheep?
Was there fake sealed because of what they did, OR Jesus on the Cross saying
" Father forgiven them, for they know not what they do".
I THINK IT IS VERY POSSIBLE AND DID HAPPEN TO MANY .
If that is the case, those whom Jesus said were not my sheep at that time could have still been chosen.
Can you show me where that is not the case in John 10 or in other scriptures?
Well you can always speak to him again.
Do we have owner to to this site who is a calvinist, is this the reason you may get in trouble, if so would it be possible to See what the owner thinks of the tulip doctrine not obeying John Calvins instructions he left before he died.
Actually, the owner and I are friends, and he is a good brother. we talk in person and in emails. My issue was not TULIP or Calvin it was the hard attack he did to so many new people who questioned his biblical potion. Then called them liars, devils, Blasphemying God, etc. The site Ower is not like that. And he is a very for giving man.