Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Charlie_2024]

THE WAY TO FIX IT is for you to look in the mirror. I'm not banging on anything. I don't care if it contradicts what you believe.

No one here has Accused God of being evil but you in your own little world. Your feelings are irrelevant. Maybe if you considered others feelings hmmm?

I am not asking you to abandon your faith and follow mine what an immature thing to say.

I have not said you are not saved . You have said that of others.


Jesus said in John chapter 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

The Greek reads as an imperative: I am the only Way; not other way; I am the only Truth, not other truth and I am the only Life and there is no other but in ME.

If I have Jesus, I have the way, the life, and the Truth Outside of Christ, there is no election. Without Christ, there is none elected.

If you read some of the comments here, you will find that my God has been accused of being evil.

And again, I don't know which Jesus you believe in but it's not the same One I believe in. There are around 40,000 different interpretations of who Jesus is, and every one of them conflict each other and everyone believes theirs is the only correct interpretation.

Everyone reads the bible and forces their private interpretation on it, we don't have the authority to add or take away from what God has said. But I find most Christians do exactly that, they change the meaning of those scriptures they don't like or they just ignore them and change the meaning of those they like o support their agenda.

How do you know you poses biblically correct theology. Who made you the arbiter of Gods Word.

 

[Charlie_2024]

But they had no choice. They were created to live that way. How can they do anything other than what they were created for?



No, he creates them, according to you. Again, how can you fault them for doing what they were created to do? That's cruel.



I'm not, you are.



Not if He created them to be sinners.

I don't know why God does what He does. He never told us why, so I don't ask or accuse Him of being unfair.

Nothing can happen outside of Gods will, so everything is exactly according to His will. I appreciate some things don't look right or fair from our perspective, but I believe we just have to trust that God has everything under His control and everything will workout good in the end.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

. Its bit difficult for to understand your meaning here.

I see that Adam was spiritualy alive before the fall, and I see people need to be made spiritualy alive again, after fall



So the only difference is that that Jesus prevents you from falling again, but the same spiral life is the same life that God gave which was spiritualy alive before the fall.

They fell not believing God's words when they where spiritualy alive before the fall,

So if unbelief is a sin not forgiven then why bother to save man again.

Makes no sense

Spiritual death is a term which means separated from God. A barrier is placed between God and mankind.

Adam was born perfect. hence he was alive and had a relationship with God.

When he sinned, that relationship was severed. Adam died, and that barrier had to be broken to restore the relationship between him and God.

thats the purpose of the cross.. To remove that barrier and restore or rescue mankind from the barrier that seperates them from God.

If that barrier is not removed. then the seperation will last for eternity.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus did not come into the world to unite people, as you falsely claim. The opposite is true, He came to divide the world into two groups. He came to receive His Bride, the Elect Saints of God and to condemn the Devils children. Nobody is neutral in this, you can only be on one side.

Also you can't be neutral regarding the gospel interpretation, you can only embrace Calvinism or Arminianism. I have been begging for someone to offer a third option so I can escape these "cults" but so far nobody has found an escape, they just give me lies and false hope.

John 3: 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Not sure what Bible you read.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I have stated that I only believe what God said, and I reject private interpretations as they are an abomination in Gods sight. God actually promised to cast all those who add or takes away from His Word, into the lake of fire.

i really can't fathom why so many think God was joking when He gave that warning. It's actually blasphemy, as it accuses God of being a liar.
We are all born enemies of God and we sink deeper and deeper into depravity as we age, and if God doesn't intervene and do the work of salvation in our lives, then we remain under His wrath and condemnation until we are cast into hell.

Your Arminian gospel, removes God from His throne and you set yourself in His place and claim to be the master of your destiny. That's simply not what my Bible teaches, it teaches the exact opposite where God is sovereign over the whole of His creation and every aspect of their lives.
This includes salvation, as a totally depraved sinner cannot turn from his sin, repent and obey the gospel.

Yet you use your own private interpretation.

PS. CS1 is not arminian.

So you also falsely judge and accuse.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

None of that is in my Bible, you invented it because you don't like what the bible actually teaches about those things.

God leaves the vast majority in their condemned sate, He said "very few as are saved"

The rich young ruler was not an Elect Saint of God, that's why he rejected God and chose to serve Satan. God said, you are the children of the Devi and you do His works"

The prodigal son was an Elect Saint of God that's why he repented, but the lesson there was about his brother who was not an Elect Saint, so he was cast into hell because he exposed his Arminian theology by relying on Arminius's works based salvation which leads every single believer of that false gospel to hell.

You have election backwards

God elected based on his foreknowledge. based on his will. that all who see and believe (John 6)

Stop holding yourself as special and bow before a holy and righteous God like the tax collector did

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Spiritual death is a term which means separated from God. A barrier is placed between God and mankind.

Adam was born perfect. hence he was alive and had a relationship with God.

When he sinned, that relationship was severed. Adam died, and that barrier had to be broken to restore the relationship between him and God.

thats the purpose of the cross.. To remove that barrier and restore or rescue mankind from the barrier that seperates them from God.

If that barrier is not removed. then the seperation will last for eternity.

Can we talk about spiritual death.

Whos lifes was in Adam

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your private interpretation of the gospel is an abomination, you're accusing my God of being evil and that is pure blasphemy. I would urge you to repent and ask the Lord to open your spiritual eyes so you can receive the true gospel.

You catholic or something?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

There's no place for the reprobate in our Church, we only accept genuine Elect Saints of God. You're welcome to take the reprobate into your Church, but don't expect my Church to accept them.

Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you

Your gospel view is an abomination to God.. just saying.

Take your pride someplace else

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Well now, you have just exposed yourself as a false accuser. The Bible word for the accuser of the brethren is "Satan".

Those who follow Satan's example, never deal with any issues but they always follow their masters example and attack the person, instead of putting forward a valid argument or presenting any evidence.

Satan is well known for slander, because He is an enemy of the truth. But lies, false accusations and slander will never destroy the truth. The truth will destroy all liars and slanderers

did not know the truth was a false accusation

You did not know Calvin very well did you? Now YOU falsly accused

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

But they had no choice. They were created to live that way. How can they do anything other than what they were created for?



No, he creates them, according to you. Again, how can you fault them for doing what they were created to do? That's cruel.



I'm not, you are.



Not if He created them to be sinners.

They do not get it

The come with false arguments

They are rude and intolerant

They attack the people who disagree with them

while they refuse to see their own words accuse them.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

And again, I don't know which Jesus you believe in but it's not the same One I believe in. There are around 40,000 different interpretations of who Jesus is,.

Yep. You have bought into catholic arguments

There are actually 3 views of Jesus

The legalistic one

The Grace one

And the licentious one.

Maybe we can add 4. The terrible one who created people for hell. and created all evil.

there are not 40,000.. You need to stop listening to men who have misled you with phoney arguments.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Can we talk about spiritual death.

Whos lifes was in Adam

I am not sure what you mean.. Who's life was in adam?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I am not sure what you mean.. Who's life was in adam?

. 🙂. My view is God's life can't die a spiritual death unless he completely destroys his life that exists in man

I feal that God's life in man is governed by the power of life and power of death.

I've given a full explanation here. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/gods-life.214817/

I would encourage our friend @Charlie_2024 to have a read. As he's clearly damaged by doctrine 🙂

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Your private interpretation of the gospel is an abomination, you're accusing my God of being evil and that is pure blasphemy. I would urge you to repent and ask the Lord to open your spiritual eyes so you can receive the true gospel.

No, I'm saying your brain washed version of a false god is evil. Your understanding is 110% incorrect. I know thats jarring to you. Hopefully one day you will understand what God is really like and you will never be the same.

 

[HeIsHere]

And what are your qualifications for making such a false statement. I'm afraid private feelings don't count for anything, they may help you cope with the awful truth for now but you will have to deal with it when you stand accused before God.

Wut?

 

[HeIsHere]

it a shame you don't see your lord being deserving to many other people here.

One thing I will say is calvinism states unconditional election is also for the unbeliever to be unconditional when surrendering to God's will.

How come you don't mention that.

But you know what Charlie.

I can't see you being here much longer.

I totally and completely get your point now about being called evil and why it was upsetting.
Wow

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I totally and completely get your point now about being called evil and why it was upsetting.
Wow

Well Im able to forgive it, as we can all act evil if we lose our head including me,

 

[HeIsHere]

Well Im able to forgive it, as we can all act evil if we lose our head including me,

I am able to as well, I just understand it better now and your exasperated state. I do not always read the every post.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The power of life still exists in all fallen man.

Adam and eve someone you loved