Predestination is misunderstood...

[Mem]

Enjoy! .

I forgot what day it was and was reminded it was a babysitting day by my dil bringing my grandson to me. Definitely, joy in person!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Where did I mention anything dealing with salvation?
Assumption seems to be your best trait that I have observed so far.

You said a christian seeks forgiveness.

I said I do not

for once can you stop assuming the worse. and just take what people say without being offended?

 

[7thMoon]

Do you not think their blindness was spiritual and/or psychological? When people say they see,
it also means they understand. It does not mean they could not physically see before. It means
they have made the connections between one thing and another to arrive at a specific conclusion.
In this case, they saw the evil they had done, in using their self will to go against the will of God.
You could even say they ate the fruit of their disobedience. And all creation suffers for it.

It was physical.

 

[Magenta]

It was physical.

Nothing in the text suggests it was physical blindness.

Much of Scripture speaks of spiritual blindness, though.

And when Jesus speaks of eyes to see and ears to hear, He is not
talking about people being physically blind and deaf, either.

You are probably the first person I've met who thinks Adam and Eve were physically blind.

Does your rabbi teach this also?

 

[Magenta]

2 Corinthians 3:13-15~ We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

 

[Magenta]

It was physical.

Do you think heart circumcision is physical also?

Do you think the veil that remains as mentioned in the above panel is physical?

 

[Mem]

Scripture does not say so, only that we have eternal life in

Thank you, Mem, and I likewise hold you in high regard, even though I must admit I do not always understand some of the things you say in your musings and pondering .. It does give me cause to pause and reflect how differently some of us think! And this is not a bad thing. Also it seems your background is much different than mine, and this would lend itself to some of the differences in our thought directions and/or leanings as well. Any way, I do not recall anything being said in my convos concerning the origin of the two trees under discussion. The pertinent point being discussed was whether or not Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life to maintain their existence prior to sinning by eating of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Since eating of it (ToL) would mean they would live forever after, obviously they had not. P denies this. And God specifically ousted them from the garden and guarded the way to the Tree of Life so they could not ALSO eat of it after sinning. That means they had not already. Another point denied by those who want to say otherwise. And this came up in my convo with P only because I was showing him how he goes beyond what Scripture says, as one of two examples I gave, because he asked me to, although as mentioned, he has a whole thread where he makes claims about God nowhere found in the Bible.

My post was sort of an almagamation addressing all the points brought up as I was following the recent post within this thread, and I do understand the underpinnings that hold your conclusion together. That is, they could not have eaten of the tof or they could've never died. But this leaves me the question , 'why did had they refrained from eating of it, since there was only a restriction from the tree of tkogae?'

He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

Why did they become ashamed

I meant to address this within the post I started which ended with the verse, "they were naked and they were not ashamed."

I tend to think of multiple planes, as exampled by my quirky writings, and this offers me the perspective that their nakedness was not only speaking of their physical condition but also their vulnerability, their exposure to 'outside' influences, forces other than the sun, wind, and rain. But, relative to that idea, and considering the definition of ashamed, that they were not ashamed implies they were not "embarrassed or guilty because of one's actions, characteristics, or associations," and there is an additional entry within the definition, "(ashamed to do something) reluctant to do something through fear of embarrassment or humiliation." (Data from Oxford languages)

 

[Magenta]

My post was sort of an almagamation addressing all the points brought up as I was following the recent post within this thread, and I do understand the underpinnings that hold your conclusion together. That is, they could not have eaten of the tof or they could've never died. But this leaves me the question , 'why did had they refrained from eating of it, since there was only a restriction from the tree of tkogae?'

I meant to address this within the post I started which ended with the verse, "they were naked and they were not ashamed."

I tend to think of multiple planes, as exampled by my quirky writings, and this offers me the perspective that their nakedness was not only speaking of their physical condition but also their vulnerability, their exposure to 'outside' influences, forces other than the sun, wind, and rain. But, relative to that idea, and considering the definition of ashamed, that they were not ashamed implies they were not "embarrassed or guilty because of one's actions, characteristics, or associations," and there is an additional entry within the definition, "(ashamed to do something) reluctant to do something through fear of embarrassment or humiliation." (Data from Oxford languages)

I see their nakedness as the loss of God's covering. They knew they had lost it, and were ashamed knowing their disobedience caused it. I have asked that question before, too, about why did they not eat of the Tree of Life? Especially since we are told man is a slave to sin due to his fear of death. Certainly, it seems this was part of their motivation. But if they did not want to die, why not just eat of the Tree promising Life? Well, they also wanted to be like God, and God confirmed that happened, in knowing good and evil. They decided for themselves what was right and what was wrong... Adam deliberately choosing wrong, and Eve being deceived. God temporarily covered them, with the skin/s of a sacrificed animal, foreshadowing the covering we find in the shed righteous blood of Christ. There is a lot to unpack there! Then begins the long hard crawl through history to where we are today...

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

My post was sort of an almagamation addressing all the points brought up as I was following the recent post within this thread, and I do understand the underpinnings that hold your conclusion together. That is, they could not have eaten of the tof or they could've never died. But this leaves me the question , 'why did had they refrained from eating of it, since there was only a restriction from the tree of tkogae?'



I meant to address this within the post I started which ended with the verse, "they were naked and they were not ashamed."

I tend to think of multiple planes, as exampled by my quirky writings, and this offers me the perspective that their nakedness was not only speaking of their physical condition but also their vulnerability, their exposure to 'outside' influences, forces other than the sun, wind, and rain. But, relative to that idea, and considering the definition of ashamed, that they were not ashamed implies they were not "embarrassed or guilty because of one's actions, characteristics, or associations," and there is an additional entry within the definition, "(ashamed to do something) reluctant to do something through fear of embarrassment or humiliation." (Data from Oxford languages)

I asked because before the fall it says they where naked and not ashamed.

Common senses tells me that there spiritual nature was free but also protecting there human nature. Which was innocent.

So then after the fall they where naked but ashamed of there nakedness.

Well common sense says to me there human nature is still innocent, but there spiritual nature was now overcome by evil knowledge cursing there nakedness inside there mind.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You said a christian seeks forgiveness.

I said I do not

for once can you stop assuming the worse. and just take what people say without being offended?

So you just sin and sin and sin and never say to God I am sorry for sinning?

That's the same thing sinners without God do!

 

[7thMoon]

Do you think heart circumcision is physical also?

Do you think the veil that remains as mentioned in the above panel is physical?

Circumcision of the Kardia, i.e., head is real, but also metaphorical. The head is just like the heart. One hit to the base and your dead.

 

[7thMoon]

Do you think the veil that remains as mentioned in the above panel is physical?

It was an elevation. The "window" like all windows of that technology was sealed with rock when not open.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

So you just sin and sin and sin and never say to God I am sorry for sinning?

That's the same thing sinners without God do!

I know a perfect scripture for seeking forgiveness 🙂

 

[Magenta]

Circumcision of the Kardia, i.e., head is real, but also metaphorical. The head is just like the heart. One hit to the base and your dead.

Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

"Behold, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will punish all who are circumcised yet uncircumcised."

Do you know what that means? Physical circumcision is nothing.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

So you just sin and sin and sin and never say to God I am sorry for sinning?

That's the same thing sinners without God do!

Whenever I hear or read someone tell me they do the same thing a Lost Person (without Salvation and God) does as in sins and sins and sins but never goes to God to say I am sorry. That is the first person I will NEVER listen to.

 

[Magenta]

Romans9:6b-8

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Her you go @FollowerofShiloh 😊

Why ye should seek forgiveness





Stroll on 😊

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why is it that you always make comments, but never reference any scriptures to prove your comments?

oh I forgot to answer sorry ita because I like to put people into a recieving state, 😊


Stroll on 😊

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Her you go @FollowerofShiloh 😊

Why ye should seek forgiveness

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Stroll on 😊

Jesus provided His Own Disciples with a "Daily Prayer" that mentions forgive me of my sins as I forgive those who sinned against me. The Disciples were closer to God than all of us combined and Jesus still gave them a Prayer where each day they say "forgive me of my sins."


And we have people here acting like they don't have to acknowledge their sins.

They are Hypocrites!

 

[Cameron143]

It was physical.

Did Adam name the animals according to the sounds they made?