Predestination is misunderstood...

[Genez]

see this is an another assertion


You say we could not not have been in him based on your understanding

Stop stating your misunderstanding as being "my understanding."

Learn to think with fairness. That way, you may be able to learn...

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Stop stating your misunderstanding as being "my understanding."

Learn to think with fairness. That way, you may be able to learn...

I see you keep cutting posts and not addressing the full post.

Do you know in scripture it's called taking away from scripture.

Obviously your use to this.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Is a frog egg the frog?

Is the tadpole the frog?

God was looking at the "finished" creation when He created us..

What it will take to get us there is according to his plan and purpose.

so let's use a frog to to express Gods love for mankind, is that your intelligence

 

[sawdust]

It doesn't matter what Adam saw a day as. It matters what God saw 'oLaM as. And Peter says God sees a day as 1000 years. And Adam physically died before his 1000th year ended, iow on the day that he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, exactly as the Lord said it would be.

God was speaking to Adam, it absolutely matters how Adam understood what He meant. You still ignored God spoke of two deaths.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

so let's use a frog to to express Gods love for mankind, is that your intelligence

 

[PaulThomson]

God was speaking to Adam, it absolutely matters how Adam understood what He meant. You still ignored God spoke of two deaths.

Are you suggesting that whenever God speaks, God must mean what the man hearing thinks God means?

Where did God speak of two deaths?

 

[7thMoon]

Are you suggesting that whenever God speaks, God must mean what the man hearing thinks God means?

Where did God speak of two deaths?

I don't care if you refute this. Revelation talks about a second θανατος. Νεκρος in the masculine refers to those don't exist in the present life.

 

[Genez]

I see you keep cutting posts and not addressing the full post.

Do you know in scripture it's called taking away from scripture.

Obviously your use to this.

I just realized that what you do is a way to get someone to shut while still talking...
For nothing substantial gets to be said with you jumping all over the place...
and then accuse the other of what you are doing as even a further distraction..

I'm just waiting you out...

You're just a distraction.....

 

[Genez]

I don't care if you refute this. Revelation talks about a second θανατος. Νεκρος in the masculine refers to those don't exist in the present life.

Second death, because even the unbeliever will appear before the Lord in a resurrected body.
In their fallen body. That is why Jesus said that they will die in their sins.

So.. like everyone else, they will die. One death.
Resurrected in their fallen body to face judgement.
Then thrown into the Lake of Fire to die a second time... Second death.

We only die once.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

very funny 😋

 

[7thMoon]

Second death, because even the unbeliever will appear before the Lord in a resurrected body.
In their fallen body. That is why Jesus said that they will die in their sins.

So.. like everyone else, they will die. One death.
Resurrected in their fallen body to face judgement.
Then thrown into the Lake of Fire to die a second time... Second death.

We only die once.

Or second deprivation. θανατος seem to be the antonym of ζωή.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I just realized that what you do is a way to get someone to shut while still talking...
For nothing substantial gets to be said with you jumping all over the place...
and then accuse the other of what you are doing as even a further distraction..

I'm just waiting you out...

You're just a distraction.....

obviously you don't want your views challenged, and lack the intellectually capacity to see other views,

This is called not seeking God.

Try breathing and seek His word with what I'm suggesting


Now will you address this question to God.

Ask him was you in us as in mankind befall the fall, and then ask him how did you make man spiritualy alive befor the fall.


Now he may not answer straight away.

So I don't expect an answer straight away.

But anyway ask him.

Because obviously your unwilling to receive good sound advice from people.

 

[Genez]

so let's use a frog to to express Gods love for mankind, is that your intelligence

Jesus would called you a directionless sheep...

Talk to Him.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Jesus would called you a directionless sheep...

Talk to Him.

yep ok I will thanks.

You should do the same.

But you know what the crazy thing is about you.

You keep on disagreeing with Calvinism, all you've actually done for several pages is promote it.

 

[Genez]

But anyway ask him.

Because obviously your unwilling to receive good sound advice from people.

You're all people?

"Thunder-mental! The all people person! "

How does one part of your 'all people' vote for one person?
And, then another part of you, vote for another?

.....amazing!

 

[PaulThomson]

God can slow down time and stretch a day to see trillions of details that we have no idea are there.
For us to see them all would take us a thousand years......

And, God can condense all that takes place within a thousand years so easily, that to him it seems like a mere day.

That is what it speaks of.

And yet we find that neither Adam nor any descendant ever lived beyond their thousandth year of life, even though some got close to one thousand. I wonder why that was?

 

[Genez]

yep ok I will thanks.

You should do the same.

But you know what the crazy thing is about you.

You keep on disagreeing with Calvinism, all you've actually done for several pages is promote it.

Calvinism is not 100% wrong....

 

[Genez]

And yet we find that neither Adam nor any descendant ever lived beyond their thousandth year of life, even though some got close to one thousand. I wonder why that was?

God ultimately wants to promote all believes to a higher level of being.
That is why the Millennium will end after a thousand years with all alive on earth being resurrected.

 

[PaulThomson]

I don't care if you refute this. Revelation talks about a second θανατος. Νεκρος in the masculine refers to those don't exist in the present life.

I believe Sawdust was referring to before the fall.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Calvinism is not 100% wrong....

well your whole purpose of this thread was show how God had chosen us to be in him, then you went on to prove it, your intension was to prove Calvinism wrong on the bases God did not simply choose us.

This is back to front for a start, you where even corrected on that, and chose to ignore it.

You won't see that we where in him before the fall, neither do Calvinists.