Predestination is misunderstood...

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PaulThomson

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This doesn't say they sinned because they feared death. They feared death not because of death itself, but the wrath of God to come upon them. This is the essence of Ephesians 2:1-3. They are dead, being dominated, and doomed. Verse 4...But God...This is what Jesus came to change.
What were we subject to bondage to because of the fear of death?
 
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I don't follow your line of reasoning.
Ok Cameron, its not my reasoning. But never mind.

God said if you eat from that tree you would surly die.

Now tell me Cameron if they had lusted in there hearts to eat from it would they have died.

It says if you eat from it, which means after you've ate from it, you will die.

Is that simple enough for you.

So what caused them to die.
 

Cameron143

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Ok Cameron, its not my reasoning. But never mind.

God said if you eat from that tree you would surly die.

Now tell me Cameron if they had lusted in there hearts to eat from it would they have died.

It says if you eat from it, which means after you've ate from it, you will die.

Is that simple enough for you.

So what caused them to die.
Disobedience. They were in covenant with God. There was one stipulation in the covenant...don't eat...or die. They transgressed the term of the covenant, so God executed the provision fordisobedience...He killed them.
Incidentally, this is what happened to Israel in 70AD on a larger scale. Israel had not met the stipulations in their covenant with God, and He executed judgment upon them.
 
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Disobedience. They were in covenant with God. There was one stipulation in the covenant...don't eat...or die. They transgressed the term of the covenant, so God executed the provision fordisobedience...He killed them.
Incidentally, this is what happened to Israel in 70AD on a larger scale. Israel had not met the stipulations in their covenant with God, and He executed judgment upon them.
so if they had desired to eat from it through lusting in the heart would they have died

According to the bible lust is a sin
 
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impossible you where not born then

Scriptures says the son does not bare the sin of the father.

If what your saying is true then your saying your responsible for the sin of disobedience.

So it couldn't be disobedience that killed you.

No it has to be knowledge of evil poisoning Mans blood
 

Cameron143

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impossible you where not born then

Scriptures says the son does not bare the sin of the father.

If what your saying is true then your saying your responsible for the sin of disobedience.

So it couldn't be disobedience that killed you.

No it has to be knowledge of evil poisoning Mans blood
I'm not responsible for Adam's sin. I am, however, subject to its effects.