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The natural man is dead to God. Rom 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word dead here is the greek word apothnēskō and it means:
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word dead here is the greek word apothnēskō and it means:
- metaph. to be spiritually dead
The natural man is dead to God. Rom 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word dead here is the greek word apothnēskō and it means:
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word dead here is the greek word apothnēskō and it means:
- metaph. to be spiritually dead
Didn't make the Romans 1 type alive but did manifest the truth in them which they rejected and suppressed wholeheartedly.
Romans 1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
I know a lot about grace. I took my first breath by means of God's grace and I will take my last by means of His grace.
Romans 1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
I know a lot about grace. I took my first breath by means of God's grace and I will take my last by means of His grace.
I was miraculously raised from the dead when I got born again!
Yes and each person has to make the decision to turn away from the power of the devil to the power of God
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins
Before we got born again we were not responsible for Adam's sin, we were only responsible for the sins we committed in this life which is one was we know man was not born a sinner.
Psalm 106:37,38; Jeremiah 19:4,5 - In sacrificing babies to idols, people shed the blood of innocent people. But if the babies inherited Adam's sin, they would be guilty and worthy of death. [cf. Jer. 32:35]
The teaching that we are all born sinners is false doctrine.
We all BECAME sinners after we were born by committing sins on our won.
God tells us babies are innocent.
Psalm 106:37,38; Jeremiah 19:4,5 - In sacrificing babies to idols, people shed the blood of innocent people. But if the babies inherited Adam's sin, they would be guilty and worthy of death. [cf. Jer. 32:35]
The man in Romans 7 says he is sold under sin so he was not a Christian.
Christians are new creatures in Christ, old things passed away all things become new (2 Corinthians 5:17) so those that are born again are not sold under sin. The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading!
They can get born again and become a new creature in Christ where old things are passed away and all things become new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
God has provided a way for ALL people to be able to do this if they turn from sin and submit to Him.
The sin of Adam causes sin to be in the world and come UPON all men.
God never says in scripture all men were born sinners. People twisting and misunderstand scripture say that.
It's because all have sinned that Jesus went to the Cross.
He came to provide a way of salvation.
Didn't make the Romans 1 type alive but did manifest the truth in them which they rejected and suppressed wholeheartedly.
Romans 1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
I know a lot about grace. I took my first breath by means of God's grace and I will take my last by means of His grace.
I have never denied grace makes us alive. You are the one limiting grace.
Romans 1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
I know a lot about grace. I took my first breath by means of God's grace and I will take my last by means of His grace.
I have never denied grace makes us alive. You are the one limiting grace.
I have already said He didn't. You got your flesh from your parents who got it from their parents, all the way back to Adam whose flesh was affected adversely when he sinned.
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Genesis 2:17
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
What is translated in that passage as "surely die" is literally "die to die". IOW. You will die spiritually to die physically. The spiritual affects the physical.
We are born with a genetic mutation which has corrupted our bodies leading to decay and death. How do you explain the death of babies an hour old who have no sin of their own? Our bodies are copies of copies of copies which is one of the reasons we don't live hundreds of years anymore.
God creates our soul which is neither good nor evil. This is where the Calvinist goes wrong. They think the soul (the essence of who we are) is born depraved which is why they cannot understand how anyone can respond positively to God if he makes it so their sin nature is contained while He presents them with the truth. The thing is, if the Calvinist was right (they're not but if they were), it would be impossible for God to save anyone because we would be in a constant state of rejecting God (this is the state of our flesh) which means, even if we were made alive spiritually, all the spiritual understanding in the world won't stop the rejecting for we would never desire God. The Lord would literally have to erase us and start again.
There is a reason God wanted us to "start from behind the eight ball" as it were. Our response to God from our own free will (because God ensures we get that opportunity in spite of having a sin nature), reveals who and what we truly desire. The irony is the Calvinist teaching is the very opposite of that it reveals nothing about ourselves and hence we are still left in the dark regarding our own will. If you don't know who you are, should God trust you with His power? We are destined to rule with Christ.
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Genesis 2:17
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
What is translated in that passage as "surely die" is literally "die to die". IOW. You will die spiritually to die physically. The spiritual affects the physical.
We are born with a genetic mutation which has corrupted our bodies leading to decay and death. How do you explain the death of babies an hour old who have no sin of their own? Our bodies are copies of copies of copies which is one of the reasons we don't live hundreds of years anymore.
God creates our soul which is neither good nor evil. This is where the Calvinist goes wrong. They think the soul (the essence of who we are) is born depraved which is why they cannot understand how anyone can respond positively to God if he makes it so their sin nature is contained while He presents them with the truth. The thing is, if the Calvinist was right (they're not but if they were), it would be impossible for God to save anyone because we would be in a constant state of rejecting God (this is the state of our flesh) which means, even if we were made alive spiritually, all the spiritual understanding in the world won't stop the rejecting for we would never desire God. The Lord would literally have to erase us and start again.
There is a reason God wanted us to "start from behind the eight ball" as it were. Our response to God from our own free will (because God ensures we get that opportunity in spite of having a sin nature), reveals who and what we truly desire. The irony is the Calvinist teaching is the very opposite of that it reveals nothing about ourselves and hence we are still left in the dark regarding our own will. If you don't know who you are, should God trust you with His power? We are destined to rule with Christ.
That's false doctrine and is something the gnostics taught that the flesh is evil and the spirit has never sinned.
(the Lord corrected this false doctrines in 1,2, and 3rd John)
This is why when they do sin they claim it was not them doing sin, it was just their body.
I've been bought with a price and my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and there is nothing evil in my flesh
You are welcome to hate your flesh and claim your flesh causes you to so sinful things that you cannot do anything about but I'm not going to be associated with such un-biblical foolish nonsense.
They did spiritually and became separated from the Lord.
They did not become incapable of controlling what their body does as the gnostics falsely claim.
I'm born again so that doesn't apply to me
Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Quickens means to make alive unto the Lord.
At least it does for me.
God did not want us to start off live in sin and He did not make us sinners when He created us.
You're welcome to believe that about yourself, but I'm not falling for satan's foolish self serving lies
Looks like I need to repeat because you missed what I was saying....
I said..
"We are responsible for our sins only after we are born again. "
That is why we need to understand 1 John 1:9.
You are NOW - as a Christian - responsible before God to deal with your sins whenever you sin.
That not that difficult to understand.
You are responsible now. Responsible for naming your sins in order to be cleansed from your sin, so you can walk in the Spirit.
I said..
"We are responsible for our sins only after we are born again. "
That is why we need to understand 1 John 1:9.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
You are NOW - as a Christian - responsible before God to deal with your sins whenever you sin.
That not that difficult to understand.
You are responsible now. Responsible for naming your sins in order to be cleansed from your sin, so you can walk in the Spirit.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
grace and peace ..............................The gnostics recognized that the flesh is fallen...
But, their application about the body they made to that fact made no sense biblically.
Its like the Catholics stating the truth that Jesus was born sinless.
But, the RCC's application as to how that happened (Immaculate conception)? Was all wrong.
Likewise, the gnostics got the first part right about the flesh, but not in explaining why and how.
But, their application about the body they made to that fact made no sense biblically.
Its like the Catholics stating the truth that Jesus was born sinless.
But, the RCC's application as to how that happened (Immaculate conception)? Was all wrong.
Likewise, the gnostics got the first part right about the flesh, but not in explaining why and how.