Predestination is misunderstood...
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If there is a natural body there is also a spiritual body
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
New International Version
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
. Have you forgot where there is a naturally body there is a spiritual body
Where there is a natural body there is a spiritual body
Corinthians 15:42-44
New International Version
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
The natural man is dead to God. Rom 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word free was added to texts, grace is a gift, ye do not have free will.
Where there is a natural body there is a spiritual body
Corinthians 15:42-44
New International Version
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
The natural man is dead to God. Rom 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The word dead here is the greek word apothnēskō and it means:
- metaph. to be spiritually dead
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 (ESV)
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body
Do you see the part that says the natural body never improves
He is not the unbeliever's Father...
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.
For what children are not disciplined by their father?
If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—
then you are not legitimate, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Hebrews 12:7-8
Jesus made it clear...
Unbelievers are not His children!
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources,
for he is a liar and the father of it." John 8:44
In Christ .................
Until one is miraculously raised from the dead, they dead, nothing they can do
I don't think you understand grace, that a natural body never improves even when saved , and you don't realise where there is a natural body there is a spiritual body.
Then you don't realise a naturally body needs the love of the father