Predestination is misunderstood...
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the parables were given for the greater judgement of those who are not given eyes to see.
Mat 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'HEARING YOU WILL HEAR AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND, AND SEEING YOU WILL SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE;
Mat 13:15 FOR THE HEARTS OF THIS PEOPLE HAVE GROWN DULL. THEIR EARS ARE HARD OF HEARING, AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED, LEST THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, LEST THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEARTS AND TURN, SO THAT I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'
Mat 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'HEARING YOU WILL HEAR AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND, AND SEEING YOU WILL SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE;
Mat 13:15 FOR THE HEARTS OF THIS PEOPLE HAVE GROWN DULL. THEIR EARS ARE HARD OF HEARING, AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED, LEST THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, LEST THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEARTS AND TURN, SO THAT I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'
God indeed wants all types of men to be saved and has chosen some from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues including some of which are kings and those in authority for whom prayer is to be made.
1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
but if God desires every single person to be saved why did Christ rejoice at some being blinded to the truth and even said it was good that this was done?
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
but if God desires every single person to be saved why did Christ rejoice at some being blinded to the truth and even said it was good that this was done?
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
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I noticed you ignored my argument and gave no answer as to how one man's righteousness can account for many but one man's sin can't?
You're right, God did not make us sinners, Adam did. The "law of sin" (sin nature) is in the body, (Rom.7:7:23) not the soul which, is what God creates. We get our bodies from our parents (Jn.3:6). If we were born totally depraved, as the Calvinist defends, no-one could be saved for our souls would be in a perpetual state of rejecting God. Even the verse they like to quote shows this is true if they read on a little.
Rom.3:10-12
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
We can become totally depraved if we reject God's drawing, but we are not born that way. We are however born after the "image and likeness" of Adam (Gen.5:3) which is why our flesh is corrupt. This corruption leads God to impute Adam's sin to us which is why we are born spiritually dead for righteousness can not dwell with unrighteousness. How do we know all men are sinners? Because all men die, including babies, who have committed no personal sin of their own. Hence:
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
You're right, God did not make us sinners, Adam did. The "law of sin" (sin nature) is in the body, (Rom.7:7:23) not the soul which, is what God creates. We get our bodies from our parents (Jn.3:6). If we were born totally depraved, as the Calvinist defends, no-one could be saved for our souls would be in a perpetual state of rejecting God. Even the verse they like to quote shows this is true if they read on a little.
Rom.3:10-12
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
We can become totally depraved if we reject God's drawing, but we are not born that way. We are however born after the "image and likeness" of Adam (Gen.5:3) which is why our flesh is corrupt. This corruption leads God to impute Adam's sin to us which is why we are born spiritually dead for righteousness can not dwell with unrighteousness. How do we know all men are sinners? Because all men die, including babies, who have committed no personal sin of their own. Hence:
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Actually Christ was the One made responsible for our sin and not only ours (believers) but for the whole world. Our responsibility now is to confess it (1Jn.1;9) for there is nothing we can do but that. It is Christ who lives in me and it is by the ministry of His grace that I overcome sin, the world and the devil.
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you know I've been coming here supporting many people over the last year believing you where all having issues with understanding. Even you
And I put all the arguments down to that, but i never knew until last week anything about tulip or just how badly this site is infected with it.
But it now seems total depravity s combined with grace and partial depravity combined with grace every where in this forum
Is in allost every thread now
I'm disgusted by this doctrine of combining total depravity with grace
The.only true meaning of totally depraved is evil and satan
So in effect what you promoting is evil is being saved by Grace, but not just that grace is being defined as an unmerited favor. So in effect an unmerited favor is saving evil
your doctrine is has infected this whole place.
And has infected the whole site by the looks of It and everyone here.
In some way or another, everyone is arguing over grace as a result.
And I put all the arguments down to that, but i never knew until last week anything about tulip or just how badly this site is infected with it.
But it now seems total depravity s combined with grace and partial depravity combined with grace every where in this forum
Is in allost every thread now
I'm disgusted by this doctrine of combining total depravity with grace
The.only true meaning of totally depraved is evil and satan
So in effect what you promoting is evil is being saved by Grace, but not just that grace is being defined as an unmerited favor. So in effect an unmerited favor is saving evil
your doctrine is has infected this whole place.
And has infected the whole site by the looks of It and everyone here.
In some way or another, everyone is arguing over grace as a result.
He is crying out for salvation from death, not from life's struggles. Paul is revealing the state of man without salvation from death but having been awakened to God consciousness.
Christians don't have a struggle with the flesh because they are in Christ and He has overcome. The fact we struggle with sin experientially is because we need to grow in the knowledge of Christ by means of His grace. As we do that, we struggle less.
If a Christian who has walked with the Lord a long time is still struggling with sin? They need to rethink how they are walking. This is not to say we won't sin, but we should not be constantly struggling with it, the struggle should lessen as we grow.
Christians don't have a struggle with the flesh because they are in Christ and He has overcome. The fact we struggle with sin experientially is because we need to grow in the knowledge of Christ by means of His grace. As we do that, we struggle less.
If a Christian who has walked with the Lord a long time is still struggling with sin? They need to rethink how they are walking. This is not to say we won't sin, but we should not be constantly struggling with it, the struggle should lessen as we grow.
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