Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Pardon my interruption, but since you would believe in 'election' and God choosing, why would it matter? God will get them no matter what if they are part of the 'election'
I don't know how much you adhere to Calvinism, as you say you believe what you do through personal study, but isn't election a part of what you believe?
Everyone does not accept Christ and the Bible states that everyone does not accept Christ but nowhere are we told that God might pass you over if you are not an 'elect.'
And yes, count me in on the fundamental disagreement
I very much do believe that John 3:16 means what is says.
I don't know how much you adhere to Calvinism, as you say you believe what you do through personal study, but isn't election a part of what you believe?
Everyone does not accept Christ and the Bible states that everyone does not accept Christ but nowhere are we told that God might pass you over if you are not an 'elect.'
And yes, count me in on the fundamental disagreement
I very much do believe that John 3:16 means what is says.
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Free will only applies to the desires of your heart. However, when you are given a new heart your desires change!
We still sin which is why John said we he did. I am not meaning deliberate and ongoing sin, but such as we do during the course of a day without planning to do so.
So answer this question? Why can't God sin? Yeah...I know you said it because he's holy and good, right? But you don't understand what you said! God is holy and good how, if not in his nature? So...if God can't do anything contrary to his good and holy nature, then what makes you believe that he created humans to be able to do something he can't do!? From where did we mere finite mortals get this mighty power to do something our Creator can't?
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First off, Genesis states we are made in the image of God. The word holy actually means to be separate....interesting that our sin(s) have separated us from God. But note that even though Adam and Eve disobeyed God, He STILL sought them out! They were not elect...or as it coming to appear, what Calvinists actually believe is more along the lines of SELECTION as opposed to election.
The problem is not the matter of choice. The problem is you and others here seeking to present the gospel through misapprehension of the word. Do you not know that a believer is seen by the Father as THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST?
You see, leaving out all that our salvation is, you get around scripture that states that all may come to salvation through faith and we are not yet what we shall be but are on the way to becoming as Christ as we shall be like Him when we finally see Him. Then we shall know even as we are known now.
We have the hope and assurance of salvation now. NOW
Why wouldn't God give choice when He has given that throughout scripture, INCLUDING the garden.
The problem is not the matter of choice. The problem is you and others here seeking to present the gospel through misapprehension of the word. Do you not know that a believer is seen by the Father as THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST?
You see, leaving out all that our salvation is, you get around scripture that states that all may come to salvation through faith and we are not yet what we shall be but are on the way to becoming as Christ as we shall be like Him when we finally see Him. Then we shall know even as we are known now.
We have the hope and assurance of salvation now. NOW
Why wouldn't God give choice when He has given that throughout scripture, INCLUDING the garden.
No, he did not make us to hear him. Give me chapter and verse on that. He made Adam with the capacity to choose between good and evil. Adam chose the latter, so now the entire human race is in interminable stuck mode. We have moved from having the capacity to choose between the two, to having no other choice but to choose what the human heart constantly desires -- freedom from God and freedom to do do whatever we want! The human will, sir, is in bondage to its sin nature and evil desires. This why scripture portrays the human race as being [spiritually] dead. Can the dead escape from their graves under their own power? Then neither can the unregenerate escape from their own nature or the dark graves of their evil hearts. I mean really....what part of Jer 13:23 and Rom 8:8 and Rom 3:10-17 don't get?
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No scripture, it just seems silly to think that you would will to do anything that you did not desire to do!
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Adam and Eve were created by God and He said all that He made was GOOD. There is no introduction of select Christians or elect anyone. The Bible also states that only the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Calvinists offer the word depravity as an inability to reach out to God but the Bible does not state that.
Why does Calvinism state that you can only come to salvation if God regenerates you first? That makes EVERYONE who does not accept Christ blameless . If you are unable to do what enables salvation, then how can you (anyone and not you personally) then how can it be said that a person is unwilling to do what they are unable to do?
Why does Calvinism state that you can only come to salvation if God regenerates you first? That makes EVERYONE who does not accept Christ blameless . If you are unable to do what enables salvation, then how can you (anyone and not you personally) then how can it be said that a person is unwilling to do what they are unable to do?
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Neither do I but I know you can find any info about Hebrew, various Bible translations, original texts....you name it...online
Frankly I would expect people to study (the Bible commends those who do) before telling others what something means in the Bible
Right now, I am conducting a study on all that salvation entails and the starting point is understanding the words used (Greek) by Paul. English does not convey the depth or understanding of the total salvation from sin and satan granted to believers
Frankly I would expect people to study (the Bible commends those who do) before telling others what something means in the Bible
Right now, I am conducting a study on all that salvation entails and the starting point is understanding the words used (Greek) by Paul. English does not convey the depth or understanding of the total salvation from sin and satan granted to believers
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