Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Of you believe God does not want all people to be saved, then how do you know that you are one of the elect?
Calvinism teaches that God allows some to "think" they are elect but in the end they were not elect at all.
Calvinism teaches that God allows some to "think" they are elect but in the end they were not elect at all.
I see you here as clear as day using a lie to sow division in the body. Why? Why is it so hard for you to understand what the Calvinist is saying and how they think of it? What you say they believe is something I've NEVER see anyone say in my life and your argument here has no truth or sincerity behind it. It's just you making a fictional character to mock, a strawman to attack. Doesn't matter if we are talking about our denomination or what version of the Bible we read, you HAVE to be right, you are just too prideful and have to destroy all that isn't you. Pretty pathetic if you ask me, and I hope I'm dead wrong and making myself look foolish with these observations, but after seeing your comment style long enough to form an impression of what you focus on and argue about, as well as the style you make these arguments in, you just seem like someone who wants to look down your nose at others as you inform those idiots. Don't see much as far as you glorifying God, mostly just your own opinions.
So why don't you go actually engage with the Calvinist ACTUAL beliefs and study the ACTUAL things they'd argue for themselves. Then there will at least be a point to these ridiculous threads.
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That's what reformed theology teaches right there.
If one sins it's no problem because they claim all future sins have already been forgiven which is a lie which causes people to go ahead and live in sin and why wouldn't they after hearing this false license to sin gospel?
Only sins past have been forgiven
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
This means if we sin after getting born again that are NOT automatically forgiven. We must confess to the Lord and forsake our sin in order to be forgiven of any new sins comitted after getting born again.
Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
This would NOT be in God's Word is all future sins were automatically forgiven.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Those walking in sinful behavior are NOT walking in the light so their sins are not cleansed because they are sinners!
1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
John 6:52
If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
John 6:55
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Luke 22:19
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and broke; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Galatians 2:16
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 23:3
All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
James 2:14
What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:24
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
Apocalypse Revelation) 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 1:20
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Matthew 18:16-17
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Acts Of Apostles 8:31
Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
2 Machabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Matthew 5:25-26
Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison . Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.
Philippians 2:10
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 5:3
And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Ecclesiasticus 7:37
A gift hath grace in the sight of all the living, and restrain not grace from the dead.
1 Peter 3:19
In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison.
John 20:23
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11
And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Luke 16:18
Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10
But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Apocalypse/Revelation 22:18
For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
Matthew 27:22-25
11. Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified. And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
John 6:52
If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
John 6:55
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Luke 22:19
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and broke; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Galatians 2:16
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 23:3
All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
James 2:14
What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:24
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
Apocalypse Revelation) 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 1:20
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Matthew 18:16-17
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Acts Of Apostles 8:31
Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
2 Machabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Matthew 5:25-26
Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison . Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.
Philippians 2:10
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 5:3
And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Ecclesiasticus 7:37
A gift hath grace in the sight of all the living, and restrain not grace from the dead.
1 Peter 3:19
In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison.
John 20:23
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11
And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Luke 16:18
Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10
But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Apocalypse/Revelation 22:18
For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
Matthew 27:22-25
11. Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified. And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.
There's more than enough here to prove that God is not like men. He really does know everything, regardless of what men say
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4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
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Ephesians 1:5
5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
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Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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Romans 8:29
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
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John 6:44
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
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John 15:16
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
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2 Timothy 1:9
9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
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Proverbs 16:4
4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
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Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
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2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
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1 Peter 1:20
20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
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Ephesians 1:11
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
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Ephesians 1:4
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
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Romans 8:29-30
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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1 Peter 1:2
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:
May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
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Matthew 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
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Ephesians 1:11-12
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
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Galatians 1:15
15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
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Revelation 13:8
8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
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Acts 2:23
23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
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Colossians 3:12
12 Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
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Romans 8:33
33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
Titus 1:1
1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
Bible Gateway
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Jeremiah 1:5
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
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Romans 8:30
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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Ephesians 1:4-5
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Bible Gateway
167
Ephesians 1:5
5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Bible Gateway
150
Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Bible Gateway
141
Romans 8:29
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Bible Gateway
131
John 6:44
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Bible Gateway
130
John 15:16
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Bible Gateway
99
2 Timothy 1:9
9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Bible Gateway
99
Proverbs 16:4
4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Bible Gateway
99
Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Bible Gateway
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2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Bible Gateway
75
1 Peter 1:20
20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Bible Gateway
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Ephesians 1:11
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Bible Gateway
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Ephesians 1:4
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Bible Gateway
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Romans 8:29-30
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Bible Gateway
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1 Peter 1:2
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:
May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Bible Gateway
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Matthew 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Bible Gateway
51
Ephesians 1:11-12
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
Bible Gateway
51
Galatians 1:15
15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
Bible Gateway
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Revelation 13:8
8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Bible Gateway
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Acts 2:23
23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
Bible Gateway
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Colossians 3:12
12 Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
Bible Gateway
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Romans 8:33
33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
Titus 1:1
1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
Bible Gateway
40
Jeremiah 1:5
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Bible Gateway
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Romans 8:30
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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I appreciate your effort to correct me, but none of that is biblically applicable.
Convicted people ca never confess or repent, unless God does the work of regeneration. And gives the hopeless sinner the humility to confess and spiritual eyes to see how ugly their sin is and repent of it. Again God does this for the hopeless sinner, the sinner doesn't chose to repent of sin because he loves his sin more than he loves God.
There's no such thing as a sinner who doesn't feel guilty. What you have is self deluded sinners who are in denial, they hope that they can plead ignorance and fool God. But God is nobody's fool
Convicted people ca never confess or repent, unless God does the work of regeneration. And gives the hopeless sinner the humility to confess and spiritual eyes to see how ugly their sin is and repent of it. Again God does this for the hopeless sinner, the sinner doesn't chose to repent of sin because he loves his sin more than he loves God.
There's no such thing as a sinner who doesn't feel guilty. What you have is self deluded sinners who are in denial, they hope that they can plead ignorance and fool God. But God is nobody's fool
@MerSee: Can only the elect ever be born again?
What makes either one of you think you're the elect? Does what you believe line up with what God teaches? Because if it doesn't, then you're worshipping something other than the true Jesus and are not saved.
As it is, you believe in a Jesus that doesn't offer salvation to everyone, but just a certain specific set of people. How can you have the Holy Spirit and be saved if you believe that?
I agree that God is nobody's fool, but it looks like you've fooled yourselves. It's really ironic considering this thread.
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What makes either one of you think you're the elect? Does what you believe line up with what God teaches? Because if it doesn't, then you're worshipping something other than the true Jesus and are not saved.
As it is, you believe in a Jesus that doesn't offer salvation to everyone, but just a certain specific set of people. How can you have the Holy Spirit and be saved if you believe that?
I agree that God is nobody's fool, but it looks like you've fooled yourselves. It's really ironic considering this thread.
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Ok, sorry I overwhelmed you with too much evidence and a few exhibits were presented twice. But that shouldn't detract from the rest of damning evidence presented.
It seems to me that you're trying to sidestep the issue, as you don't have a strong case against it. I'd appreciate any biblical correction
It seems to me that you're trying to sidestep the issue, as you don't have a strong case against it. I'd appreciate any biblical correction