Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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I'm saying reformed theology is false doctrine that teaches that it's OK to live in sin as they claim all future sin is already forgiven which causes many to go ahead and live in sin.
They also teach that Christians sin everyday in thought word and deed and we just cannot quit sinning.
The devil is the author of the lies in reformed theology and he is quite pleased that so many have fallen for his lies in spite of having access to the Bible that does not teach the lies reformed theology is peddling.
Those that have not researched the teachings that warn of the dangers of reformed theology have not been educated according to God's Word.
Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
John 6:52
If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
John 6:55
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Luke 22:19
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and broke; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Galatians 2:16
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 23:3
All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
James 2:14
What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:24
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
Apocalypse Revelation) 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 1:20
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Matthew 18:16-17
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Acts Of Apostles 8:31
Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
2 Machabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Matthew 5:25-26
Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison . Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.
Philippians 2:10
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 5:3
And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Ecclesiasticus 7:37
A gift hath grace in the sight of all the living, and restrain not grace from the dead.
1 Peter 3:19
In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison.
John 20:23
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11
And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Luke 16:18
Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10
But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Apocalypse/Revelation 22:18
For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
Matthew 27:22-25
11. Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified. And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
John 6:52
If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
John 6:55
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Luke 22:19
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and broke; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Galatians 2:16
But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 23:3
All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
James 2:14
What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:24
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
Apocalypse Revelation) 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 1:20
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Matthew 18:16-17
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Acts Of Apostles 8:31
Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
2 Machabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Matthew 5:25-26
Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison . Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.
Philippians 2:10
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 5:3
And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Ecclesiasticus 7:37
A gift hath grace in the sight of all the living, and restrain not grace from the dead.
1 Peter 3:19
In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison.
John 20:23
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11
And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Luke 16:18
Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10
But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband. And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife.
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Apocalypse/Revelation 22:18
For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
Matthew 27:22-25
11. Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified. And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.
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A Calvinist, or those believing in T.U.L.I.P while denying they are a Calvinist or persuaded of the same error, will tell you that they are the only ones who recognize God's sovereignty. It should be noted, however, that in the nearly 13 hundred pages of Calvin's Institutes (1689), does he give a place for God's love.
This is alarming since scripture tells us that is the very thing that had God send His Son to this earth to pay the penalty for our sins. Since Calvin and those who follow him or a similar distorted view of the gospel believe God has created millions to send to the lake of fire, the love of God would seem hypocritical as an adjunct to His 'sovereignty.
Calvinists (etc) who hold to this sovereign view of God do appear to forget why God sent His Son down to this planet. Of course these same people also believe they are included as the 'elect' and had no choice in God choosing them....for some serendipitous reason....and they hold fast to that misplaced identity.
John tell us (I John 4:8) that the very essence of God is love. GOD IS LOVE.
The exclusion, or at least insignificance to the Calvinist (etc) of all but the all encompassing sovereignty, leads to the question of where this God who is love, has put His judgement (He is also the judge of all the earth) when it comes to unfairly sending people to burn with the devil and his angels in the lake of fire.
No choice. Literally, go to hell. As the Bible is clear that sinners will not see God, we must conclude that God is the author of sin and various other contradictions (to His revealed nature in scripture) in order to fulfill the idea of sovereignty according to Calvin and those with that understanding.
The problem there, is that the Calvinist will also tell you that since mankind is not free to choose, God is limited in what He can do.
Apparently then, there is a problem with the Calvinist interpretation of what sovereign actually means.
God must also be the originator and supporter of evil since apparently the devil also had no choice but to become the devil.
If God decides all, how can He be loving or fair since His judgement is against His own creation?
And that, is just the very beginning of the problem with Calvin's understanding. Let me add that many of His beliefs and practices actually originate from Catholicism.
This is alarming since scripture tells us that is the very thing that had God send His Son to this earth to pay the penalty for our sins. Since Calvin and those who follow him or a similar distorted view of the gospel believe God has created millions to send to the lake of fire, the love of God would seem hypocritical as an adjunct to His 'sovereignty.
Calvinists (etc) who hold to this sovereign view of God do appear to forget why God sent His Son down to this planet. Of course these same people also believe they are included as the 'elect' and had no choice in God choosing them....for some serendipitous reason....and they hold fast to that misplaced identity.
John tell us (I John 4:8) that the very essence of God is love. GOD IS LOVE.
The exclusion, or at least insignificance to the Calvinist (etc) of all but the all encompassing sovereignty, leads to the question of where this God who is love, has put His judgement (He is also the judge of all the earth) when it comes to unfairly sending people to burn with the devil and his angels in the lake of fire.
No choice. Literally, go to hell. As the Bible is clear that sinners will not see God, we must conclude that God is the author of sin and various other contradictions (to His revealed nature in scripture) in order to fulfill the idea of sovereignty according to Calvin and those with that understanding.
The problem there, is that the Calvinist will also tell you that since mankind is not free to choose, God is limited in what He can do.
Apparently then, there is a problem with the Calvinist interpretation of what sovereign actually means.
God must also be the originator and supporter of evil since apparently the devil also had no choice but to become the devil.
If God decides all, how can He be loving or fair since His judgement is against His own creation?
And that, is just the very beginning of the problem with Calvin's understanding. Let me add that many of His beliefs and practices actually originate from Catholicism.
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You tell me what was said. Does any of that exclude believers? Perhaps read what Paul had to say about his own countrymen in Romans 9. Salvation is for all and there are no 'pre-saved editions of believers that are branded 'elect.'
You are so adamant, I am starting to believe you have been taught what you have presented here. Let us know if that is not true.
You are so adamant, I am starting to believe you have been taught what you have presented here. Let us know if that is not true.
You’re not listening to what I’ve tried multiple times to explain. Whether you like it or not, God elected some folks for special tasks. They have no choice. Others have free will to choose Jesus upon hearing the Gospel. The Elect are not any better than the free will folks. You seem to think that; well it’s not true. God loves and saves “whoever” believes in Him.
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I have thoroughly read your posts. I understand what you say. I disagree with your two types of Christian understanding and I have said this multiple times. Elect are those who have accepted Christ and the foreknowledge of God enables the term 'elect'. This is a concept that has to do with God's view.
Perhaps you are not listening. I disagree with what you are saying and there is really nothing else to say about it.
I did illustrate the fact that despite those in scripture who are so well known, there are even more, just as what you call 'elect' whose stories are not told.
You are right! I am sure that I sin in some way each and every day! I can only ask to be strengthened to overcome these sins and ask for forgiveness. But, I also know that I will not be perfected in this lifetime.
If anyone claims that he no longer sins, scripture tells us "he is a liar."
If anyone claims that he no longer sins, scripture tells us "he is a liar."
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And only his children. Not the seed of the serpent! From the very beginning God decreed that there would be two kinds of people in the world.
And what you have to understand about a lot of NRs is that they believe God's elects believers only after they chose to elect him by their "free will". So what we have is a double election thingy going on.
And what you have to understand about a lot of NRs is that they believe God's elects believers only after they chose to elect him by their "free will". So what we have is a double election thingy going on.
[QUOTE="Stan_the_Man, post: 5270708, member: 328243"]I'm saying reformed theology is false doctrine that teaches that it's OK to live in sin as they claim all future sin is already forgiven which causes many to go ahead and live in sin.
They also teach that Christians sin everyday in thought word and deed and we just cannot quit sinning.
The devil is the author of the lies in reformed theology and he is quite pleased that so many have fallen for his lies in spite of having access to the Bible that does not teach the lies reformed theology is peddling.
Those that have not researched the teachings that warn of the dangers of reformed theology have not been educated according to God's Word.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe those things nor do any reformed people I know...and I know more than a few, even though we all believe that Christ atoned for all our sins. From whence did you get these lies? You very clearly do not understand the "P" in TULIP.
They also teach that Christians sin everyday in thought word and deed and we just cannot quit sinning.
The devil is the author of the lies in reformed theology and he is quite pleased that so many have fallen for his lies in spite of having access to the Bible that does not teach the lies reformed theology is peddling.
Those that have not researched the teachings that warn of the dangers of reformed theology have not been educated according to God's Word.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe those things nor do any reformed people I know...and I know more than a few, even though we all believe that Christ atoned for all our sins. From whence did you get these lies? You very clearly do not understand the "P" in TULIP.