Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[MerSee]

How can you recognize a Christian?

By their fruits.

 

[MerSee]

How would a Calvinist know that they are one of the elect?

What makes you think they would know if they are one of the elect?

 

[Charlie_2024]

How about instead of YOU falsely accusing me of what YOU have been doing this entire conversation just go by what the BIBLE says like I have been doing?

1 Timothy 2:14
14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived

YOU are calling the Bible WRONG. Do YOU know what that makes YOU?

I'm not the one adding to Gods Word. You added your word against what God said. God warned about the horrific consequences for those who do this.

1 Timothy 2:14 Confirms my point that Satan didn't deceive Adam and only Eve was deceived by Satan. As the text clearly says the woman was deceived. Why didn't the text say what you're imposing on it. According to you it should say "but the man and women were deceived" Can you even see how ridiculous your argument is.

 

[Magenta]

The text says Eve seduced him

The text says no such thing. Repeating your words back to you:

So please stop adding your word to Gods Word, to support your false narrative. Let God speak for Himself, He doesn't need your help

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I'm not the one adding to Gods Word. You added your word against what God said. God warned about the horrific consequences for those who do this.

1 Timothy 2:14 Confirms my point that Satan didn't deceive Adam and only Eve was deceived by Satan. As the text clearly says the woman was deceived. Why didn't the text say what you're imposing on it. According to you it should say "but the man and women were deceived" Can you even see how ridiculous your argument is.

Show me one post I said Adam was Deceived?
I counted how many posts where YOU said Adam was deceived or Satan caused Adam to sin or Eve seduced him.

Just one more point on this, Adam did not choose to sin. He was deceived by Satan into disobeying God. Just before you say it was Eve, who tricked him into it. She was already Satan's servant at that point, she was doing His will by seducing Adam

You have misapplied the text, Satan caused Adam to sin against God through His servant Eve. So Eve was just a pawn in Satan's arsenal, she had no say in what her Master commanded her to do. Just as all those outside of Christ today have no choice in what they do. They're also Satan's unwitting slaves and servants

I wasn't referring to the text, I referred to the application which can only be applied as Satan causing Adam to sin through Eve. Satan knew that He couldn't seduce Adam so He seduced to weaker woman and used her to get to Adam.

Satan is likened to a lion, He always attacks the weaker animals because they are easy prey. That's why women are forbidden to teach men in the Church

But the elephant in the room is saying that Adam wasn't deceived by the Satan approaching him and deceiving him. If you read the Genesis account you will find that Eve deceived Adam and she did so by the power of her master Satan

Eve had to be with Adam in order to seduce him into rebelling against God. That is obvious but you placed Satan at the scene when the Bible doesn't. The text says Eve seduced him and not Satan and Eve. Satan is not as stupid as might think He is, why would He blow His cover and lose Adam. He wanted to have both under His dominion and control.

So please stop adding your word to Gods Word, to support your false narrative. Let God speak for Himself, He doesn't need your help

Since you clearly have problems "TELLING the TRUTH," that is 5 times YOU said Adam was deceived or seduced or Satan caused Adam to SIN.

And there is ZERO times that I said Adam was deceived because I go by the BIBLE unlike YOU!

 

[Charlie_2024]

Even did not "seduce" Adam. He knew very well what he was doing. The text does not say nor indicate that Adam was seduced. He chose to eat of the fruit knowing full well of the consequences. Why? He was being a type of Christ. Adam sinned to be with his bride. Christ would become sin to be with his bride.

Well the Bible doesn't say anything like that, you should read Genesis 3 carefully and you will find that Adam told God in verse 12 that the woman gave him the forbidden fruit to eat. There is no mention of Satan at all, so why would Adam blame Eve, if it was Satan.

He clearly blames Eve for being deceived, then when God asked Eve why she did it, she blamed the Serpent for deceiving her. We can't just assume that Adam blamed Eve to protect Satan, that is unthinkable and un biblical.

This is why god warned us not to add or take away from His perfect Word.

My Bible tells me that the Lord Jesus Christ never sinned, so I'm not sure how you came to conclude that He sinned like Adam. He took on the sins of you and me, the sin you speak about must have been yours and mine and not that of the Lord

 

[Magenta]

He clearly blames Eve for being deceived,

He clearly says no such thing about being deceived. He simply ate what Eve offered him.

Or are you saying Adam said he knew Eve was deceived? He doesn't say that either. Eve does.

I am a bit late to this whole convo, but clearly you are promoting a narrative not present in the text.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Rejecting scripture - It's what calvinists do






What calvinists reject is meaningless because they are wrong all day long






That's speculation.

God's Word says he was right there with her so he knew what happened and he knew eatiung the fruit with her was wrong and decided to do it anyway.

You have the right to express your private opinion but it's obviously born out of unbiblical false doctrines and views. So I reject your opinion in it's entirety. Your opinions and views are never backed by any biblical truths, they are always your private views which are worthless without some kind of Biblical foundation.

My suggestion to you would be to seek out someone to teach you about the Bible, as it is evident to me that you don't know the basics.

 

[Charlie_2024]

I disagree

The word of God says in REV 13:8 and 1pet 1:18-20 Jesus was planned before.


"All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."


1 Peter 1:18-20 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

So you actually agree with my point that there would be no blood of Jesus without having someone to die for. And they can be none other than the elect of God, whom He foreknew and chose before He created the world.

Thank you

 

[Magenta]

1 John 2:1-2

 

[Charlie_2024]

He clearly says no such thing about being deceived. He simply ate what Eve offered him.

Or are you saying Adam said he knew Eve was deceived? He doesn't say that either. Eve does.

I am a bit late to this whole convo, but clearly you are promoting a narrative not present in the text.

You are late to this, you need to start by studying Genesis 3 then come back and enlighten us with your findings

 

[Magenta]

You are late to this, you need to start by studying Genesis 3 then come back and enlighten us with your findings

I am not late to reading the text. If you misunderstood my plain English I can understand why you mangle the Scripture texts so badly.

Still, it is clear you read much into what is said and add things that are
not there and then pretend that is what is being taught, when it is not.

More to the point: Adam was not deceived, and that is PLAINLY stated in Scripture.

You plainly state the opposite. Over and over, again and again.

We are not buying your version of events.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Show me one post I said Adam was Deceived?
I counted how many posts where YOU said Adam was deceived or Satan caused Adam to sin or Eve seduced him.






Since you clearly have problems "TELLING the TRUTH," that is 5 times YOU said Adam was deceived or seduced or Satan caused Adam to SIN.

And there is ZERO times that I said Adam was deceived because I go by the BIBLE unlike YOU!

You failed to connect the dots. I said Adam was deceived by proxy. He used Eve to do His dirty work because He knew that Adam could not be deceived by Him. How can you misrepresent what I said so clearly, I can only conclude that your too proud to admit you were wrong.
Have a nice day

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You failed to connect the dots. I said Adam was deceived by proxy. He used Eve to do His dirty work because He knew that Adam could not be deceived by Him. How can you misrepresent what I said so clearly, I can only conclude that your too proud to admit you were wrong.
Have a nice day

Get familiar with a verse you clearly do not know.

8 ....... and all liars, shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

 

[Magenta]

Adam was deceived by proxy.

Adam was not deceived. The text plainly states this. Why do you say the opposite?

I will repeat your words back to you again:

you need to start by studying Genesis 3 then come back and enlighten us with your findings

 

[Charlie_2024]

I am not late to reading the text. If you misunderstood my plain English I can understand why you mangle the Scripture texts so badly.

Still, it is clear you read much into what is said and add things that are
not there and then pretend that is what is being taught, when it is not.

More to the point: Adam was not deceived, and that is PLAINLY stated in Scripture.

You plainly state the opposite. Over and over, again and again.

We are not buying your version of events.

My advice to you would e to find a study buddy and go back over Gen 3 as it quite obvious your view doesn't line up with what the text plainly says.

 

[Magenta]

My advice to you would e to find a study buddy and go back over Gen 3 as it quite obvious your view doesn't line up with what the text plainly says.

The text plainly says Adam was not deceived. You promote the opposite of what the text says.

you need to start by studying Genesis 3 then come back and enlighten us with your findings

 

[Charlie_2024]

The text plainly says Adam was not deceived. You promote the opposite of what the text says.

you need to start by studying Genesis 3 then come back and enlighten us with your findings

OK, so now your saying that Adam didn't sin. But God said he did, you really put me in a tight spot trying to choose whether to put my faith in you or God

 

[Magenta]

OK, so now your saying that Adam didn't sin. But God said he did, you really put me in a tight spot trying to choose whether to put my faith in you or God

But you are lying to so misrepresent what I said, since I said nothing about
Adam sinning, only that he was not deceived. It is plain you seek to deceive also.

Believe what the text says and stop lying about it. Adam was not deceived.

Saying what the text says (Adam was not deceived) is not saying Adam did not sin.

That's just another one of your lies.

 

[Charlie_2024]

But you are lying to so misrepresent what I said, since I said nothing about
Adam sinning, only that he was not deceived. It is plain you seek to deceive also.

Believe what the text says and stop lying about it. Adam was not deceived.

Saying what the text says (Adam was not deceived) is not saying Adam did not sin.

That's just another one of your lies.

OK, so according to your interpretation. Adam wasn't deceived by the Serpent/Satan. And He wasn't deceived by Eve. So instead, he used his God given wisdom and decided to commit suicide.
That doesn't sound like something a wise man of God would do. So your theory doesn't make any sense to me. So I have no choice other than to reject your theory because it doesn't add up. Nor can it be supported by any scripture