Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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You still don't get it, do you? The term "foreknowledge" is mere an anthropomorphic way of expressing the truth that God knows all things. How is it possible for God, who transcends all his creation (including time), to actually foreknow anything when there is absolutely nothing for him to "foreknow"? Since he transcends all time, he transcends the future, as well. Paul in Rom 8:29, for example, even had to express God's "foreknowledge"in the past tense because our finite minds cannot comprehend the Eternal. There just isn't any way to express the Infinite in a comprehensible manner, apart from employing anthropomorphic language. This text literally should read: "For those God knows [eternally], he also predestines to be conformed..." If God had to peer into the future to see places, people or events, then that would imply he he cannot know all eternally.
Only as that is consistent with his essence. In this restrictive respect, then, God can do all things qualitatively; but not all things quantitatively, such as what Mr. Thompson earlier suggested re absurdities, e.g. God making square circles. God is a God of Order -- not of chaos, mayhem or confusion. These latter "attributes" are owned by the god of this world. He has the patent on them.
God's free moral agency is no more of a libertine-type than ours. Ponder 2Tim 2:13 and learn what that profound truth means.
God's free moral agency is no more of a libertine-type than ours. Ponder 2Tim 2:13 and learn what that profound truth means.
Are you suggesting that the demands of the Gospel contradict biblical theology? When I share the gospel, or when I leave gospel tracts to be read by the lost, and both those tracts and I exhort people to believe the gospel and repent of their sins, do you think we are simultaneously contradicting the biblical truth of the Five Doctrines of Grace?
So, you can tell some people that they can believe that Jesus died for them because it is true.
And you can tell other people that they can't believe that Jesus died for them because it isn't true....
And you can tell other people that they can't believe that Jesus died for them because it isn't true....
I only claimed that Adam had the ability to please God which was lost with the fall of man. Adam had that ability but we do not unless we are changed in some way. We can only be changed by hearing the word of God and the Spirit changing us within.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
I would never attempt to tell anyone what they can/cannot believe. I cannot see into their heart, only God has that ability!
Yes you are! You said earlier:
Just pointing out that God chose to use sacrifice but He COULD have done it other ways if that was His desire. (emphasis mine)
And this very clearly implies that if there were "other ways" for him to desire, his initial choice would have been less than perfect. But can a perfectly Righteous, Holy and Good God desire to choose anything that is either less or better than perfect? And have you never read:
Ps 18:30a
30 As for God, his way is perfect...?
NIV
See also Deut 32:4; 2Sam 22:3; Dan 4:37; Rom 12:2; Rev 15:3, etc.
You see what happens when our minds are not controlled by the Word of God? It's uber easy, even for us Christians, to think in worldly or fleshly terms.
Finally, not only is the Cross of Christ God's perfect redemptive plan on the vertical level (i.e. because of who and what God is) but it's also perfect on the horizontal plane with respect to his image-bearers! Do you know why this is also true?
Just pointing out that God chose to use sacrifice but He COULD have done it other ways if that was His desire. (emphasis mine)
And this very clearly implies that if there were "other ways" for him to desire, his initial choice would have been less than perfect. But can a perfectly Righteous, Holy and Good God desire to choose anything that is either less or better than perfect? And have you never read:
Ps 18:30a
30 As for God, his way is perfect...?
NIV
See also Deut 32:4; 2Sam 22:3; Dan 4:37; Rom 12:2; Rev 15:3, etc.
You see what happens when our minds are not controlled by the Word of God? It's uber easy, even for us Christians, to think in worldly or fleshly terms.
Finally, not only is the Cross of Christ God's perfect redemptive plan on the vertical level (i.e. because of who and what God is) but it's also perfect on the horizontal plane with respect to his image-bearers! Do you know why this is also true?
And I'm saying that your premise contradicts scripture! God didn't examine all his "options" and then decide on a plan. This kind of thinking reflects the typically low view NRs generally have about God. Your premise clearly implies there "could have been" other options. You're the one who used the word "could"! So, own it already!
God is limited. Since you cannot believe this, then explain to me why God cannot sin. Why he cannot lie. Why he cannot deny himself. What is stopping him!? Explain this. I can't wait to hear that explanation!
P.S. You might want to brush up on the definition of "cannot". Just sayin'...
P.S. You might want to brush up on the definition of "cannot". Just sayin'...
Learn the definition to Holy and Perfect and then a clue might be understood by you.
And while I'm thinking of it, Mr. Shiloh, what part or "perfect" didn't you get in my 2333? Since God's eternal plan of redemption was perfect in eternity [past] because He himself is perfect, how COULD he possibly improve upon that? Work on this problem, too. And, of course, consult a dictionary. You need all the help you can get.