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Dino246

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Thunderrr-mental said:
If everyone deserves to go to hell, why did Jesus even give his life for us.
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You have that exactly backwards. In truth,

Jesus gave His life for us because everyone deserves to go to hell.

By believing in His atoning death and resurrection, we partake of His righteousness which means we are no longer hellbound.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Sure it does, because you are twisting meaning and cutting off verse continuation and implying things not found in the Bible.
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Show me where I am wrong for the Scriptures were given for this purpose (2 Tim 3:16-17).
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Repenting is what you do to be forgiven.
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That is incorrect. Repenting is merely changing your mind and your behaviour to match. You are forgiven when you believe in Jesus' atoning death and resurrection. You must repent AND believe.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Jesus preached repentance and the forgiveness of sins.

The two are separate.

Forgiveness of sins is the lord forgiving you.

Repenting is what you do to be forgiven.
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And repentance unto salvation is the Godly sorrow described in 2 Corinthians 7:10.
 
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Dino246 said:
Unfortunately, your "poster" employs a non sequitur. It does not explain the connection between God's holiness, our sinfulness, and Jesus' atonement. Without the connection, your last statement doesn't seem relevant.
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People need Christ because God is a perfect judge who sees everything and hates evil which is most clearly observed in His wrath being propitiated upon Christ to satisfy divine justice in order to grant righteous mercy to His people.
 
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Dino246 said:
You have that exactly backwards. In truth,

Jesus gave His life for us because everyone deserves to go to hell.

By believing in His atoning death and resurrection, we partake of His righteousness which means we are no longer hellbound.
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what a load of rubbish
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
. Well why you want to believe everyone deserves to go to hell.

If everyone deserves to go to hell, why did Jesus even give his life for us.

I see your still not willing to answer any basic understandings of scripture that even children know and are happy to answer, and you've had many chances of me to answer a simple question.

And as of yet you haven't answered one of them directly

Obviously you just like to disagree.
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Jesus gave His life to secure salvation for His sheep and not the goats.

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Cameron143 said:
You believe the natural man can exercise faith without God producing the faith first.
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No, I don't. Faith comes from the word. The natural man cannot exercise faith because if he is still in his natural state, he is not regenerated and if he is not regenerated, he has not believed the Gospel and if he has not believed the Gospel, he is not saved.

You think you understand what I am saying, but you don't.
 
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Dino246 said:
You seem to have confused the God of the Bible with the false god of the Moslems. God has set out the requirement for salvation: belief in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God is just, not capricious.


No, He does not do that. When their conscience is tender, His Spirit may speak to them. Once it is hardened, He abandons them to their choice.
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yes he does prewarn everyone



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Dino246

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maxamir said:
People need Christ because God is a perfect judge who sees everything and hates evil which is most clearly observed in His wrath being propitiated upon Christ to satisfy divine justice in order to grant righteous mercy to His people.
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Don't use big words you don't understand. You still aren't making the connection. If you're going to reduce the gospel to a sentence or two, make sure that you are telling all the important parts.
 
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Dino246 said:
That is incorrect. Repenting is merely changing your mind and your behaviour to match. You are forgiven when you believe in Jesus' atoning death and resurrection. You must repent AND believe.
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Repentance and faith are the fruits of salvation and not the conditions unto salvation lest they become a work.

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Dino246 said:
Don't use big words you don't understand. You still aren't making the connection. If you're going to reduce the gospel to a sentence or two, make sure that you are telling all the important parts.
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This is the Gospel

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maxamir said:
Repentance and faith are the fruits of salvation and not the conditions unto salvation lest they become a work.
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That's just Calvinism at its most extreme. Your quote-meme doesn't even support your claim.
 
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Dino246 said:
Don't use big words you don't understand. You still aren't making the connection. If you're going to reduce the gospel to a sentence or two, make sure that you are telling all the important parts.
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I take it you do not read your Bible for the word propitiation is found in it four times and means a sacrifice which satisfies and quenches wrath as a mercy seat.

Rom_3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Heb_2:17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
1Jn_2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1Jn_4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
 
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