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FollowerofShiloh said:
I believe the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19 is designed for ALL people to hear the Gospel. So ALL people are chosen to hear.
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No. The Great Commission is designed to [externally] call people to Christ. Whether or not anyone actually hears totally depends on the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit's effectual, inner call. Have you never read: "Many are called (externally) but few are chosen"?

Now, why don't you answer my questions in 1997? Are you going to pretend that God didn't actively have a hand in the salvation of all the Gentiles in Act s10? Are you going to pretend they weren't the "other sheep" in Jn 10:16?
 
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According to Christian Researchers

Earth's Population over 8.1 billion people in the world today

How many have heard the Gospel Preached? 4.7 Billion

How many people have not heard the Gospel?
Unreached People
It’s estimated by Joshua Project that 42% of the world’s population (3.2 billion people) have never heard of Jesus or his gospel.

How many claim to be a Christian world wide? 2.38

That means 2.3 Billion people have heard the Gospel preached and REJECTED it on the spot.


This just proves what us non-reformed people keep saying!

I present facts and those with reformed opinions are too blind to hear and understand.

Reminds me of what God did to the Jews.
 
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Rufus said:
Those Gentiles heard because they were God's elect. But non-elect Gentiles cannot hear any more than non-elect Jews. No unregenerate sinner can hear because all the unbelieving Jews and Gentiles are spiritually DEAD! What part of "dead" can't you understand? Or do you you not understand the definition of "metaphor"?
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You nailed it friend, ethnicity doesnt matter, man is dead to God by nature, not because they jew or gentile, black or white.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Faith is not a Fruit of the Spirit, FAITHFULNESS is.
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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22


Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but a persons spiritual condition before regenerated, no matter ethnicity, all by nature are under sin and dead spiritually.
 
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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22


Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but a persons spiritual condition before regenerated, no matter ethnicity, all by nature are under sin and dead spiritually.
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Faith is not a Fruit of the Spirit, FAITHFULNESS is.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
According to Christian Researchers

Earth's Population over 8.1 billion people in the world today

How many have heard the Gospel Preached? 4.7 Billion

How many people have not heard the Gospel?
Unreached People
It’s estimated by Joshua Project that 42% of the world’s population (3.2 billion people) have never heard of Jesus or his gospel.

How many claim to be a Christian world wide? 2.38

That means 2.3 Billion people have heard the Gospel preached and REJECTED it on the spot.


This just proves what us non-reformed people keep saying!

I present facts and those with reformed opinions are too blind to hear and understand.

Reminds me of what God did to the Jews.
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The fact that they rejected it should tell you that they heard physically but not with their understanding.
 
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brightfame52 said:
You nailed it friend, ethnicity doesnt matter, man is dead to God by nature, not because they jew or gentile, black or white.
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Apparently, NRs think that Jews and Gentiles have a different human nature. One group comes into this world spiritually dead, while the other doesn't. :rolleyes:
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Exactly! And that is why it's heresy and not taught in the Word.
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Shirley U. Jest!? Such low hanging fruit is almost worthy of no reply. :rolleyes:

Rom 9:13
13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
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and,

Rom 9:16-18
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
NIV

and,

Rom 9:21
21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
NIV

P.S. You see, ol' Adolf didn't have that right, and I'm sure he found that out at the moment of his demise.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Faith is not a Fruit of the Spirit, FAITHFULNESS is.
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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22


Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but a persons spiritual condition before regenerated, no matter ethnicity, all by nature are under sin and dead spiritually.
 
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brightfame52 said:
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22


Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but a persons spiritual condition before regenerated, no matter ethnicity, all by nature are under sin and dead spiritually.
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I'm beginning to think NRs have a love-hate relationship with the Gospel of John. They love some parts, while others not so much.
 
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Rufus said:
Faithfulness is the the other side of the coin of Faith because one CANNOT be faithful apart from the effectual gift of faith given by God.
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To believe who Jesus is, is for God to give us Faith in order to believe Who He is.

Faithfulness comes by experience. To personally see God work miracles in your life in your time of need or in those you know. Eventually, you come to place when a "new trial" begins you know God is going to be faithful.

And Faithfulness as the Fruit of the Spirit in your own life, is for other people to know when they're in trouble, you will always be there for them.

So NO, Faith and Faithfulness are not even remotely close to being the same thing.
 
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brightfame52 said:
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated. Faith is fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
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Just shows how you're incapable of understanding the truth.

Jesus tells us who hears the words of God Jn 8:47 and some cant

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but a persons spiritual condition before regenerated, no matter ethnicity, all by nature are under sin and dead spiritually.
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Jesus said those who ENTER His DOOR will hear.

Luke and Paul explain how you Hear, Believe, the Holy Spirit comes upon you so you can enter the DOOR.


Too bad you cannot hear.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
To believe who Jesus is, is for God to give us Faith in order to believe Who He is.
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I'm so happy that you believed enabling God to regenerate you. He could not have done it without your help!
In my case, He did it all Himself. Therefore, I have no reason to boast!.
 
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BillyBob said:
I'm so happy that you believed enabling God to regenerate you. He could not have done it without your help!
In my case, He did it all Himself. Therefore, I have no reason to boast!.
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God gave you the ability to believe. If you did not believe there's no way you could be saved.

Look at the order of this verse that Paul shows us how it works.

1. Hearing the Gospel
2. Regeneration begins with Belief because you heard the Gospel and given Faith
3. Filled Sealed with the Holy Spirit

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

Luke wrote how it happens.

44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.

As Peter was preaching the Gospel, the Holy Spirit fell onto those HEARING. Then Regeneration begins. Next verse shows They're saved after HEARING.

...because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
 
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BillyBob said:
I'm so happy that you believed enabling God to regenerate you. He could not have done it without your help!
In my case, He did it all Himself. Therefore, I have no reason to boast!.
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that is not what FollowerofShiloh said.
It is a false narrative by those who think faith in salvation is in some way suggesting we saved ourselves. The ability to even believe comes from The Holy Spirit. It is at that moment we are able to answer the call. to be obedient to the call is not taking away from God, who saves us. Just because God knew one would be saved did not mean we did. AND EVEN that God FULLY KNOW WHO WILL BE SAVED DOESN'T EXCUSE those who claim to be saved to not fulfill the great commission.

FYI, God, who is all-powerful and all-knowing, placed the ministry of reconciliation in our hands. Therefore we preach the Gospel

Which Paul said he was not ashamed of because it is the POWER OF GOD TO SAVE. we have work to do. I am no saying work to be saved. The word of God says the believers, because they are Saved, do work.


Reconciliation
2 Corinthians 5

14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading

through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.



Please show me anywhere in this text that we are to worry about the election of God? When it is God who is. what did Paul say?

as though God were pleading through us:
 
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BillyBob said:
I did hear the Gospel. However, In hearing it, God changed my heart. Otherwise I would not have believed!
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That's what I am saying. We all heard the Gospel. And while hearing the Gospel, God began to change our hearts and led us to believe.
 
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