Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Jn6:37a,b ^ is the same as (the distinction also spelled out in) John 6:39, John 6:40--see those verses:
--"that all THAT" (refers to "THINGS"--like "throne" ('and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David'-Lk1:32); "kingdom," etc... "things" like that);
--"that all WHO" (refers to "PERSONS")
[He's not just REPEATING in v.40 what He had just stated in v.39... but is DISTINGUISHING between...; same within v.37 (a,b); so IN VIEW of this, READ THESE VERSES CAREFULLY
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--"that all THAT" (refers to "THINGS"--like "throne" ('and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David'-Lk1:32); "kingdom," etc... "things" like that);
--"that all WHO" (refers to "PERSONS")
[He's not just REPEATING in v.40 what He had just stated in v.39... but is DISTINGUISHING between...; same within v.37 (a,b); so IN VIEW of this, READ THESE VERSES CAREFULLY
]
If someone believes they must do something to become saved, and if they don't do that, then they won't be saved, but by
doing it, then they become saved, in effect, they then become their own saviour, don't they? Isn't that what you believe that
you must do something, like produce your own faith in Christ rather than of it being a gift? So then, how could any other interpretation be drawn?
Christ is correctly perceived as Saviour when it is realized that He does it all, we do nothing - every millimeter of it is fully and completely a gift from a merciful and gracious God with nothing remaining to be done. We are to just rest in what He had accomplished on our behalf. Everything we might attempt to do to complete it is in effect actually saying that Jesus's offering was incomplete as it stands, and that we must do something to close the circle (so to speak).
It can't be both ways. Either we must do something, no matter how slight to acquire it, in which case we've saved ourselves, or, we rest trusting entirely in what Christ did. The latter is the correct answer.
doing it, then they become saved, in effect, they then become their own saviour, don't they? Isn't that what you believe that
you must do something, like produce your own faith in Christ rather than of it being a gift? So then, how could any other interpretation be drawn?
Christ is correctly perceived as Saviour when it is realized that He does it all, we do nothing - every millimeter of it is fully and completely a gift from a merciful and gracious God with nothing remaining to be done. We are to just rest in what He had accomplished on our behalf. Everything we might attempt to do to complete it is in effect actually saying that Jesus's offering was incomplete as it stands, and that we must do something to close the circle (so to speak).
It can't be both ways. Either we must do something, no matter how slight to acquire it, in which case we've saved ourselves, or, we rest trusting entirely in what Christ did. The latter is the correct answer.
Steps that happen to be saved according to Bible Scholars
1. First, we must hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”
2. Second, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus said: “...except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins”
3. Third, one must repent of his sins in order to be saved
Same thing that Peter said, 38 And Peter said to them: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1. First, we must hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”
2. Second, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus said: “...except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins”
3. Third, one must repent of his sins in order to be saved
Same thing that Peter said, 38 And Peter said to them: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, well, I wouldn't put too much weight in what "Bible Scholars" say. If you do, you'd be trusting in them and in their interpretation
rather than in the Bible alone. Observe:
[2Ti 3:16-17 KJV]
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
rather than in the Bible alone. Observe:
[2Ti 3:16-17 KJV]
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.