Do You Believe Unrepentant Sinners in Hell Can be Saved?

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Dino246

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Your question was -
Dino246 said:
Where do you get such ridiculous hogwash?

Have you stopped beating your wife?
“Have you stopped beating your wife?” is a loaded question.

A loaded question is a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt). Such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.

Your "question" was merely a rhetorical tactic - but not reasonable.
I understand that you found my question abrasive, but it was not merely a rhetorical tactic. I actually want to know where you got the idea that the underworld "processes" souls? Certainly not from the Bible.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Again, we are told what the afterlife was like at the time Jesus was preaching. We are not told that this is the wsy things will be foreve.r. Yo are reading that idea into the text.
If someone can go from Hell to Heaven then they can go from Heaven to Hell. So much for eternal security.
 

PaulThomson

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I understand that you found my question abrasive, but it was not merely a rhetorical tactic. I actually want to know where you got the idea that the underworld "processes" souls? Certainly not from the Bible.
Was the rich man not experiencing a process of torment. Was there any purpose in it? Or did God hve no purpose in sending him there?

Process: a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end.
 

PaulThomson

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If someone can go from Hell to Heaven then they can go from Heaven to Hell. So much for eternal security.
Are you basing your desire to serve Christ based on what you understand as a promise of eternal security? If eternal security were not in scripture, would you consider Christ who died for you unworthy of your worship and loyalty?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Are you basing your desire to serve Christ based on what you understand as a promise of eternal security? If eternal security were not in scripture, would you consider Christ who died for you unworthy of your worship and loyalty?
No, I am using your own reasoning that if people in Hell can later be saved, then it "must" be able to happen the other way. God is the same and true. So if He lets those in Hell be saved (Your Reasoning) then He must let those in Heaven who want to leave go to Hell (using Your Reasoning).

See how foolish that sounds?

That's how you sound throughout this entire thread!
 

PaulThomson

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No, I am using your own reasoning that if people in Hell can later be saved, then it "must" be able to happen the other way. God is the same and true. So if He lets those in Hell be saved (Your Reasoning) then He must let those in Heaven who want to leave go to Hell (using Your Reasoning).

See how foolish that sounds?

That's how you sound throughout this entire thread!
Letting people choose is foolish?
 

Dino246

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Was the rich man not experiencing a process of torment. Was there any purpose in it? Or did God hve no purpose in sending him there?

Process: a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end.
Assume: suppose to be the case, without proof.
 

PaulThomson

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They already chose while they were alive, didn't they?
So letting people choose in a short life time before their death is not foolish? But letting them choose any time in the infinity after their death is foolish? Can you explain the logic of that?
 

PaulThomson

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No, I am using your own reasoning that if people in Hell can later be saved, then it "must" be able to happen the other way. God is the same and true. So if He lets those in Hell be saved (Your Reasoning) then He must let those in Heaven who want to leave go to Hell (using Your Reasoning).

See how foolish that sounds?

That's how you sound throughout this entire thread!
Why does it sound foolish to you that God would let saints keep on choosing whom they want to serve after their death?
 
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Does God Love unrepentant sinners who are in hell?

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment.
I think the question should be does God reform sinners in hell?.
 

PaulThomson

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I think the question should be does God reform sinners in hell?.
That is another possible question. Another possible question is "Does God yesterday want all to repent, but tomorrow couldn't care less?" ". Another possible question "Does God want to reconcile all things to Himself today, but tomorrow couldn't care less?"
 

PaulThomson

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I think the question should be does God reform sinners in hell?.
That is another possible question. Another possible question is "Does God yesterday want all to repent, but tomorrow couldn't care less?" ". Another possible question "Does God want to reconcile all things to Himself today, but tomorrow couldn't care less?"