Would Jesus drink Alcohol?
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I will look for it next time I am on. My wife is looking over my shoulder.OK so I still want to hear Genez's full testimony. But I REALLY want to hear yours. Is a longer version posted anywhere here on the forums?
op: Would Jesus drink alcohol?
More Scriptural Evidence? Why would Jesus Disobey His Own OT Command?:
More Scriptural Evidence? Why would Jesus Disobey His Own OT Command?:
"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?
who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who
hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they
that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine
when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it
moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and
stingeth like an adder." (Proverbs 23:29-32 AV)
Amen.Jesus said what a man eats goes into his stomach and is cast into the draught... or the KJV rendering.
Jesus was accused of being a man gluttonous and a winebibber. He admitted the Son of Man came eating and drinking. They were exaggerating and accusing Him of excess. If he were a teetotaler, that would have been odd so why wouldn't they criticism him for that like they did with John the Baptist instead of accusing Him of being a winebibber?
It occurs naturally in food as it ferments, which we eat. Some foods start fermenting when picked.
Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake. Take wine, mix it with water for 24 hours, come back and the bacteria are dead in it. So it can serve to purify water. And they'd mix wine with a lot of water back then, or that was one of the ways they drank it.
That's dumb. Yeast doesn't have a rectum. It's a microorganism. They process organisms and expell by-products through their cell walls. They don't 'poop'.
I find your use of rectum and poop in regard to the beverages that Christ and the apostles consumed to be insulting and disrespectful.
Very convenient that you can make the word mean whatever you want whenever you want... move the beverage along the range of fermentation from passage to passage to fit your theology. Even new wine would start fermenting a bit on the microscopic level.
There are warnings about wine, sure. But this should be taken in the overall teaching of scripture that it is against excess and drunkenness.
From what I have read, the Pharisees would have required that wine be fully fermented to be kosher for Passover, so the dead yeast would rise to the top and could be sloughed off. Our Lord Jesus said whatsoever the scribes and Pharisees 'bid you observe, that observe and do.' So why would He have had what they considered non-kosher, not fully fermented wine for Passover? In the Lord's Supper at Corinth, they apparently used a real alcoholic beverage, because at least someone got drunk. And Paul didn't say they were wrong because they used real wine, though obviously that was excess.
I suggest you read the Bible. Jesus was also from the tribe of Judah according to the Bible, so a Jew in a more literal sense than Paul.
The Nazarite vow was not the only way to be holy. Those who were under it could not touch dead bodies. Did Jesus touch dead bodies? Those who were not under the Nazarite vow could not drink unfermented grape juice. Do you believe Jesus did that?
Jesus said 'Drink, ye all, of it.'
Maybe Paul put himself under a Nazarite vow. He shaved his head in Cencrea for he had made a vow. He went into the temple to pay the expenses for men who had a vow on them. So maybe he went for a while without drinking alcohol.... or grape juice. But that doesn't mean he wasn't holy after he got his hair all shaved off (if that is indeed why he was mistaken for an Egyptian.)
This is how they got their name.
When first forming as a cult, many established, conventional preachers rebuked the sect.
Telling them it must be one woman to one man in marriage. After tolerating that treatment for a while,
the would be cult organized and decided to move out west to where they would be left alone.
That's when it happened.
They moved to Utah. The established themselves as they wished.
Since they were far away from conventional churches the men in church felt free to chant in unison
their feelings about marriage....
All the men used to chant...
" One wife???? No way!
We want more man!
More man!
More man!
More man!
People traveling through and visiting their churches thought they were hearing "Mormon."
And, that's how they got their name...
Precious friend, just saying it was not alcoholic wine.
q: If it takes me 5 glasses of alcohol to get 'drunk', am I not 1/5th drunk after
only One glass? Why would my "sinless" Saviour do "such a thing"?
Amen.
Jesus never took the Nazarite vow
He was a Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth.
Matthew 3:1
While Jesus still lived in Nazareth,
I can understand your confusion, brother, friend.
If the speed limit is 60?
And, if you are driving ten miles under the speed limit?
You will not get a speeding ticket for five 6ths the normal fine for speeding.
I know Jesus did not take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know, not during the time period where He was drinking the fruit of the vine). Go back and look at my post more carefully and see that was part of the point I was making.Jesus never took the Nazarite vow
He was a Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth.
Matthew 3:1
While Jesus still lived in Nazareth,
I can understand your confusion, brother, friend.
Nor could he have contact with a dead body as required for a Nazarite vow keeper.
Which he did do when he raised the young girl from death... and the woman with blood issues touched him. .
Mark 5:21–43, Matthew 9:18–26 and Luke 8:40–56.
Not everyone who lived in Nazareth is a Nazerite.. yeah. Jesus obviously drank the fruit of the vine.
but still the similarity isn't coincidence.
He is not an ordinary man. He touched a leper, and instead of Him becoming unclean by it, the leper became clean!
pretty sure it's been well documented by now that the scripture never calls alcohol itself sin.
it calls drunkeness sin.
likewise gluttony is sin but food is not.
so, friend, i think your argument unfortunately is from a false premise.
Miss Grace, our point is that whatever amount of alcohol Jesus may have consumed wasn't drunkenness.
Just as His 2,000-ish calories a day wasn't 1/2 gluttonous, and letting the sinful woman in Luke 7 kiss and massage his feet and wipe them with her hair wasn't 1/20 fornication. Does that make sense?