Is Speaking in Tongues still available today?
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True, but until someone points it out to me I wouldn't know, because I don't know everything there is to know about God. Some of the truths that are still hidden from me God may have revealed to someone who could help me to understand. Not new revelation, just the truth that was already in the Word of God I just haven't seen it yet.
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What is the purpose of being baptized in the Holy Ghost
The purpose of being baptized in the Holy Ghost, also referred to as receiving the Holy Spirit or the baptism with the Holy Spirit, is a complex topic.
Empowerment for Witnessing:
The purpose of being baptized in the Holy Ghost, also referred to as receiving the Holy Spirit or the baptism with the Holy Spirit, is a complex topic.
Empowerment for Witnessing:
- This is a common understanding across many denominations. It emphasizes that receiving the Holy Spirit empowers believers to effectively share their faith and serve God.
- Scripture reference: Acts 1:8: "But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses..." (Jesus Speaking) He is telling his disciples to wait for the Power of the Holy Ghost before every going out to be effective powerful witnesses.
- Some churches believe the Holy Spirit equips believers with specific gifts, like prophecy, healing, or tongues, to serve the church and fulfill their individual callings.
- Scripture reference: 1 Corinthians 12:7-11: "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit..."
- This perspective emphasizes that receiving the Holy Spirit initiates a deeper transformation and growth in one's Christian life, leading to greater holiness and living according to God's will.
- Scripture reference: Romans 8:29: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son..."
- Some interpretations view the Holy Spirit as constantly present and guiding believers in their everyday lives, providing wisdom, discernment, and strength.
- Scripture reference: John 14:16-17: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
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I gave up trying to point out people's errors; it's not really my place. I will speak my mind, give my opinion once or twice; but I'm not here to "fix" anyone. If you think there are things you might need additional wisdom or insight on just keep seeking the Lord's help and guidance. He's way better at showing people the truth than any human could ever be.
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this is 1 of the top 4 differences in the Christian world. the other 3 are: woman pastorship, remarriage & tithing. i read a study by Tom Durance & he says tongues have gone out at 70 a.d. then someone resurrected the idea in the late 1800's. i was at an event once & it totally seemed like gibberish. a few guys were trying to highlight themselves as interpreters. i don't know anyone who has ever seen it performed either. i also saw a belief that God gave the apostles the gift of speaking in languages to preach the Gospel to the many different for the time they were here. to me, it seems tongues ceased when the revelation of God in scripture was completed at the end of the Apostolic age when the New Testament was completed. that's my guess.
Maybe as soon as you show it's mangled gibberish that no one understands, including the person speaking it, and then tell me why this same practice is found in many different pagan practices. Where's the scripture that says the kundalini spirit gives the exact same gift?
Listen I am not "anti-tongues", and I'm not sure where I stand on the apostolic gifts still being in use or not. But your "Show me where scripture says it's ceased", isn't a real argument in my opinion. I attended a Pentecostal church for many years following my rebirth where they believe in the "modern tongues" practice. Honestly the "angelic language" scripture Paul gives us leaves just enough room in my mind to not be dogmatically against the modern practice, but I won't lie I do not think that is what biblical tongues is at all. I also don't believe the way it's practiced today is very glorifying to Jesus. Not that it's bad or evil necessarily, just that it's kind of pointless and chaotic. I mean what's the point in the big picture? Honestly I feel it's more likely to turn someone away than to draw them into it.
The biggest problem with it in my mind is how many other places you can find this exact practice done. Not only that, it is too easy to fake, it's not something that can't be done without God, so shouldn't be counted as proof of Him. In my opinion. That said I am for it being something you do between yourself and God. The whole prayer language angle I don't want to speak against. If you feel this gets you closer with God and that's how you use it then what can I say about that. It has nothing to do with me and I pray you grow closer to God however He leads. It's His Spirit that guides to all truth, not me.
So I guess I am pretty critical of tongues in the modern sense, I'm not "SURE" enough to condemn it outright and as far as the OP goes, I'm really not sure if they have officially ceased either. I've heard a person or two testify that they've witnessed others use a unlearned language to speak to a person who spoke that language before, but I didn't see it happen, so who knows?
Listen I am not "anti-tongues", and I'm not sure where I stand on the apostolic gifts still being in use or not. But your "Show me where scripture says it's ceased", isn't a real argument in my opinion. I attended a Pentecostal church for many years following my rebirth where they believe in the "modern tongues" practice. Honestly the "angelic language" scripture Paul gives us leaves just enough room in my mind to not be dogmatically against the modern practice, but I won't lie I do not think that is what biblical tongues is at all. I also don't believe the way it's practiced today is very glorifying to Jesus. Not that it's bad or evil necessarily, just that it's kind of pointless and chaotic. I mean what's the point in the big picture? Honestly I feel it's more likely to turn someone away than to draw them into it.
The biggest problem with it in my mind is how many other places you can find this exact practice done. Not only that, it is too easy to fake, it's not something that can't be done without God, so shouldn't be counted as proof of Him. In my opinion. That said I am for it being something you do between yourself and God. The whole prayer language angle I don't want to speak against. If you feel this gets you closer with God and that's how you use it then what can I say about that. It has nothing to do with me and I pray you grow closer to God however He leads. It's His Spirit that guides to all truth, not me.
So I guess I am pretty critical of tongues in the modern sense, I'm not "SURE" enough to condemn it outright and as far as the OP goes, I'm really not sure if they have officially ceased either. I've heard a person or two testify that they've witnessed others use a unlearned language to speak to a person who spoke that language before, but I didn't see it happen, so who knows?
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since you go out of your way as you have in the past, to post derogatory videos and threads against speaking in tongues, you are hardly in the place to tell someone they are in error as your prejudicial opinions have obviously hurt you and I would think you have hurt others with your desire to 'prove' your POV even though it is against scripture
No one is forcing you to be here but you always attend a thread on tongues for the purpose of trying to tear that gift down and call it demonic etc.
I am satisfied that ALL of us who have been here for any length of time understand you and your purpose quite well. Any newcomers will catch on quickly as well.
No one is forcing you to be here but you always attend a thread on tongues for the purpose of trying to tear that gift down and call it demonic etc.
I am satisfied that ALL of us who have been here for any length of time understand you and your purpose quite well. Any newcomers will catch on quickly as well.
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So have you concluded then that all who speak in tongues, as the Holy Spirit indwelling them allows, are practicing pagan arts?
I am truly sorry you have gone out of your way to join the ranks of those who speak badly of the Spirit of God.
When I pray in tongues, sing in tongues or however God may lead me to voice that gift, I am not exercising a kundalini spirit. It is bewildering how otherwise intelligent people enlist fear mongering and other ungodly practices to voice their personal opinions.
I am truly sorry you have gone out of your way to join the ranks of those who speak badly of the Spirit of God.
When I pray in tongues, sing in tongues or however God may lead me to voice that gift, I am not exercising a kundalini spirit. It is bewildering how otherwise intelligent people enlist fear mongering and other ungodly practices to voice their personal opinions.
Precious friend, if I may suggest a couple of humble and kind considerations:
1) If, as many believe, that the "tongues will end" at the masculine "That
Which Is Perfect 'Coming Of Christ'", then why would Paul have to point
out at all that "they would end"? More likely then That God Inspired him
to point it out, because God Said 'they would cease' (1Co 13:8) at the
"Completion Of the neuter That Which Is Perfect" = Paul's 'Completion'
of his writings of The Revelation Of The Mystery:
2) If, as some believe, there is a Second spiritual blessing of "receiving the
power of the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues" then Why would God Have
Paul pen this for us us who were "Baptized By The Spirit Into The One Body"
(1 Corinthians 12:13 AV), at our "new birth as sons of God, From Above"?:
In which case, there would be no such thing as a "Second blessing", Correct?
No argument, just pointing these out for prayerful and Careful 'consideration',
ok?
And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Comforted In
The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.
Amen.
1) If, as many believe, that the "tongues will end" at the masculine "That
Which Is Perfect 'Coming Of Christ'", then why would Paul have to point
out at all that "they would end"? More likely then That God Inspired him
to point it out, because God Said 'they would cease' (1Co 13:8) at the
"Completion Of the neuter That Which Is Perfect" = Paul's 'Completion'
of his writings of The Revelation Of The Mystery:
"Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God
Which is given to me for you, To Fulfil [ Completion Of? ] The Word of God"
(Colossians 1:25 AV)
2) If, as some believe, there is a Second spiritual blessing of "receiving the
power of the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues" then Why would God Have
Paul pen this for us us who were "Baptized By The Spirit Into The One Body"
(1 Corinthians 12:13 AV), at our "new birth as sons of God, From Above"?:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who Hath Blessed us With All spiritual blessings in heavenly
places in Christ" (Ephesians 1:3 AV)
In which case, there would be no such thing as a "Second blessing", Correct?
No argument, just pointing these out for prayerful and Careful 'consideration',
ok?
And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Comforted In
The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.
Amen.
Wow. You act as if you KNOW my heart and relationship with God. I guess you're in the ranks of people who assume too much about His children and go out of there way to insult people who may believe differently than themselves. You jump strait to insulting and accusing me before you even ask a single clarifying question.
You jump right down my throat accusing me of calling all who speak tongues pagan, although YOU insinuate the necessity of the Holy Spirit to do this. This is where we disagree. You do not need the Holy Spirit to do this. Are you saying all the Hindus that reject and hate Jesus that do this are reconciled to His Spirit? What do you do with the multiple groups outside of Christ that do this? So for you to even think that the Spirit has anything to do with this practice is flawed from the jump.
I was WAY more careful and respectful with my word than you are, but I'm sorry if my first comment offended you. Please tell me where I was wrong? Do other pagan, non-Christian belief systems practice tongues?
Aslo taking what I said and warping it into me telling you that when you pray you're praying to kundalini is just completely wrong and you obviously didn't read my comment very well because you missed exactly when I made provisions for exactly what you misrepresented me with.
you missed this
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"That said I am for it being something you do between yourself and God. The whole prayer language angle I don't want to speak against. If you feel this gets you closer with God and that's how you use it then what can I say about that. It has nothing to do with me and I pray you grow closer to God however He leads. It's His Spirit that guides to all truth, not me."
So please answer my questions now.
You jump right down my throat accusing me of calling all who speak tongues pagan, although YOU insinuate the necessity of the Holy Spirit to do this. This is where we disagree. You do not need the Holy Spirit to do this. Are you saying all the Hindus that reject and hate Jesus that do this are reconciled to His Spirit? What do you do with the multiple groups outside of Christ that do this? So for you to even think that the Spirit has anything to do with this practice is flawed from the jump.
I was WAY more careful and respectful with my word than you are, but I'm sorry if my first comment offended you. Please tell me where I was wrong? Do other pagan, non-Christian belief systems practice tongues?
Aslo taking what I said and warping it into me telling you that when you pray you're praying to kundalini is just completely wrong and you obviously didn't read my comment very well because you missed exactly when I made provisions for exactly what you misrepresented me with.
you missed this
cut and pasted
"That said I am for it being something you do between yourself and God. The whole prayer language angle I don't want to speak against. If you feel this gets you closer with God and that's how you use it then what can I say about that. It has nothing to do with me and I pray you grow closer to God however He leads. It's His Spirit that guides to all truth, not me."
So please answer my questions now.
That God Inspired him
to point it out, because God Said 'they would cease' (1Co 13:8) at the
"Completion Of the neuter That Which Is Perfect" = Paul's 'Completion'
of his writings of The Revelation Of The Mystery:
1 Cor. 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
That which is perfect is Jesus Christ not Paul's writing or canon of scripture. The truth of God Word has been mistranslated into so many languages and translation that real TRUTH is lost. Only Jesus Christ can qualify as the which is Perfect.
So the baptism in the Holy Ghost, the evidence is Speaking in Tongues, will continue until Christ's return.
to point it out, because God Said 'they would cease' (1Co 13:8) at the
"Completion Of the neuter That Which Is Perfect" = Paul's 'Completion'
of his writings of The Revelation Of The Mystery:
1 Cor. 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
That which is perfect is Jesus Christ not Paul's writing or canon of scripture. The truth of God Word has been mistranslated into so many languages and translation that real TRUTH is lost. Only Jesus Christ can qualify as the which is Perfect.
So the baptism in the Holy Ghost, the evidence is Speaking in Tongues, will continue until Christ's return.
Precious friend, so I cannot trust A God Who Is Disabled From Doing What
He Said He Would Do?:
discussion "base on corrupted [hence 'lying' ] versions" of God's Word Of Truth?
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How is that kind of discussion going to benefit, encourage, and edify
others, Verifying Exactly "What God Has or 'Does Not Have'" for us today?
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If we don't have God's Pure Words Available today, how then can we obey?:
God's Commandments are corrupted? Should I "wait for an audible voice for Instructions," as some propose we should, disregarding Holy Scriptures?
Sorry, I Cannot ''trust" a god like that, you?
Amen.
He Said He Would Do?:
"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: as silver tried in a furnace
of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep Them, O LORD, Thou
Shalt Preserve Them From this generation for ever." (Psalms 12:6-7)
Begging the question then: Are we trying to have this humble and kinddiscussion "base on corrupted [hence 'lying' ] versions" of God's Word Of Truth?
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How is that kind of discussion going to benefit, encourage, and edify
others, Verifying Exactly "What God Has or 'Does Not Have'" for us today?
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If we don't have God's Pure Words Available today, how then can we obey?:
"...man shall not live by bread alone, But By Every [ Pure? ] Word That
Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God" (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4 AV)
God's Commandments are corrupted? Should I "wait for an audible voice for Instructions," as some propose we should, disregarding Holy Scriptures?
Sorry, I Cannot ''trust" a god like that, you?
Amen.
Yes, now I see, but there is still a problem [ gr 'telios' = completeness ], is in the
'neuter' gender { The Written Word }. Do you believe we should 'place Christ' in
that same neuter gender, or should He not Be In The 'Masculine' gender?
Thanks again for your kind and humble discussion - this is Very Rare in the
spiritual warfare 'battleground'...
Amen.
'neuter' gender { The Written Word }. Do you believe we should 'place Christ' in
that same neuter gender, or should He not Be In The 'Masculine' gender?
Thanks again for your kind and humble discussion - this is Very Rare in the
spiritual warfare 'battleground'...
Amen.
I agree, with your statement, also I causes division within the church I see this also.
I saw not too long ago on this forum someone who felt unworthy because she or he could not speak in tongues, that person was just as worthy as can be. It made me really sad. Speaking in tongues is not a requirement but can be used by fraudsters, false teachers, false preachers, we have to be careful.
I saw not too long ago on this forum someone who felt unworthy because she or he could not speak in tongues, that person was just as worthy as can be. It made me really sad. Speaking in tongues is not a requirement but can be used by fraudsters, false teachers, false preachers, we have to be careful.
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A good friend of mine was a full time pastor at a conservative church (aka: they were as Baptist as one could be without the name).
He told me this story many years ago.
He was called to preach to migrant workers who would gather by the dozens when Ohio crops needed planting and harvesting. He developed a good relationship with one of the men who could speak both English and Spanish. This man became his interpreter.
One Sunday evening he was preaching and, like always, he waited on his friend to interpret but there was a long pause. So he said the same thing again in a different way and looked at his friend. Nothing.
Quietly he leaned over to his friend and asked him "Am I not saying something right?" wondering if he had offended him. "No," his friend said, "You spoke in plain Spanish."
He told me this story many years ago.
He was called to preach to migrant workers who would gather by the dozens when Ohio crops needed planting and harvesting. He developed a good relationship with one of the men who could speak both English and Spanish. This man became his interpreter.
One Sunday evening he was preaching and, like always, he waited on his friend to interpret but there was a long pause. So he said the same thing again in a different way and looked at his friend. Nothing.
Quietly he leaned over to his friend and asked him "Am I not saying something right?" wondering if he had offended him. "No," his friend said, "You spoke in plain Spanish."
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No there is no 'wow'. You basically revealed your heart in your post and I responded to that.
I can promise you I have not jumped down your throat and I am not there now.
Actually it is not between us and some unclear deity as to what we believe. The Bible is plain that all scripture is inspired (I would think by the Holy Spirit, right?) We don't get to choose which parts suit us and which parts offend us. People like to state that the gift of tongues and maybe some other spiritual gifts are not for today, but the Bible does not say that these things have ceased. Rather, there is a future time when they will no longer be needed because we will see clearly. We will know even as we are known.
I don't feel my relationship with God, although certainly emotions are a part of it.
We come to God through faith in His Son and continue or should continue, our walk throughout our lives in the same manner.
This topic has been beaten to death in this forum and threads on the topic are easily found with all scriptures pertaining to the subject in glorious detail.