I just want your views backed by Scriptural references on the subject and what it means to you.
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Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
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I say no.
The gifts of the HS had a
purpose. That purpose has been accomplished. They were given to the apostles and only the apostles could give them to someone else by the laying of hands.
The purpose was to establish the church by:
Guiding the apostles into all truth. When Jesus ascended, the apostles really didn't understand what was going on.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Confirm the word the apostles spoke was from God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Couple of examples:
12 Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles.
6 And the crowds with one accord paid attention to what was being said by Philip, when they heard him and saw the signs that he did.
They were only given to others by the laying of the apostles hands.
18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands,
If gifts are given without the laying of the apostles hands, then this verse doesn't make sense. Wouldn't Paul just say pray that God gives them spiritual gifts.
11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you—
Spiritual gifts were to help establish the church during its infancy until the whole of God's revelation was revealed. Kinda like training wheels.
11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
To only hear a portion of God's word here and then a portion there was not fully seeing.
12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
There is nothing else left to reveal. It was revealed in the first century and now it's up to us to read and believe.
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Do we really need spiritual gifts to be believers.
29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
I'm a believer to my core but I have never seen a miracle. I believe in providence and therefore I pray for God's help but a supernatural impossible to explain miracle, I have never seen one and don't need to. I believe.
I find it interesting that the only gift I hear about is speaking in tongues. There were other gifts but tongues are not easy to disprove. Is anything new going to be revealed that the apostles didn't reveal. The lost revelation. No, we are very fortunate today to have
all the words of the HS right in our hands. The time of bits and pieces are over.
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