the Sabbath

[mailmandan]

We can try to reinvent what sin really is, but I prefer the biblical definition because we are told not to lean on our understanding, but let God direct our ways. Pro 3:5-6

This is God directing our ways through His Word that we are not to add to Pro 30:5-6

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

This truly can't be any plainer. The law Paul points to define sin is the Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 and why Jesus also said not to break or teach others to break the least of these as one would be least in heaven and in fear of sin and judgement again quoting from the Ten Commandment. Mat 5:19-30

So Hebrews 10:26-30 means exactly what it states.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We can't believe in Christ but not have faith to do what He asks. This is called dead faith and why Jesus in His own Words said many will say Lord Lord at His Second Coming but He won't know them because if He resides in us, we will have His righteousness and Truth Psa 119:172 Psa 119:151 as He imputes that in us and as a result we will live differently than the lost. Rom 8:7-8

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

All is not lost yet, He calls on us if we have not harden our hearts- will we listen? Heb 3:7-8 but His arrival is soon and I pray we will all be read and can stand before Him and meet Him in the Clouds.

So anything short of perfectly obeying the 10 commandments means that we have willfully sinned and will not be saved? Good luck with that. Only Jesus Christ has met that standard. Believers "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) the commandments for the body of Christ (1 John 2:3) and have not perfectly obeyed the 10 commandments under the old covenant of law.

I liken myself to the tax collector in the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. Instead of being confident of my own righteousness and looking down on others, I don't even look up to heaven, but beat my chest and say, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ (Luke 18:9-14)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

What command/commands are so concerned about me breaking? Do you believe it is a salvation issue?

Are any commandments kept as a salvation issue or kept through love and faith. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6. Jesus residing in us is how they are kept, including the Sabbath as He kept the Sabbath and it is a commandment of God written by His own finger. The one commandment God said Remember as it is the one commandment that points us to Jesus Exo 20:11 the Creator of the heavens and earth and He would never want us to forget His creative and redemptive power because only He can sanctify us- we can’t sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12 and it shows we are God’s people Eze 20:20 the One True God- King of kings Lord of lords.

 

[mailmandan]

Are any commandments kept as a salvation issue or kept through love and faith.

Both according to your two-sided arguments.

1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6. Jesus residing in us is how they are kept, including the Sabbath as He kept the Sabbath and it is a commandment of God written by His own finger.

It all really comes down to the Sabbath which was given to Israel. (Exodus 31:16-17; Deuteronomy 5:15) The new covenant is not the old covenant repackaged. Things have changed. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13)

The one commandment God said Remember as it is the one commandment that points us to Jesus Exo 20:11 the Creator of the heavens and earth and He would never want us to forget His creative and redemptive power because only He can sanctify us- we can’t sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12 and it shows we are God’s people Eze 20:20 the One True God- King of kings Lord of lords.

You keep citing scripture that is addressed to ISRAEL under the old covenant of law and applying it to US, the body of Christ under the new covenant. The old and new don't mix. (Matthew 9:16-17)

 

[vassal]

You said, "They follow another, it is not Christ" and "If they had any fear of God, they would choose life."
Who is they? Those of us who disagree with you?

They are those who say the believe Christ but in action do not do what Christ is asking us to do.

Traditions and Commandments (KJV)
Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or hismother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free.Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Be careful and verify everything! Your perfect point of reference is Christ, the words, teachings he left for us in the gospels. if there is a difference in the teachings something is wrong. remember the lord knows out hearts and will test us to see if we are faithful and remain in him.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of yoursouls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Called to Be Holy
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[Sipsey]

They are those who say the believe Christ but in action do not do what Christ is asking us to do.

Traditions and Commandments (KJV)
Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or hismother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free.Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Be careful and verify everything! Your perfect point of reference is Christ, the words, teachings he left for us in the gospels. if there is a difference in the teachings something is wrong. remember the lord knows out hearts and will test us to see if we are faithful and remain in him.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of yoursouls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Called to Be Holy
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Just to be clear: are you saying there are three types of people?
1) Believers saved by faith, that follow all of God’s commandments.
2) People who think they are saved, but don’t follow all of God’s commandments.
3) The unsaved.

 

[vassal]

Just to be clear: are you saying there are three types of people?
1) Believers saved by faith, that follow all of God’s commandments.
2) People who think they are saved, but don’t follow all of God’s commandments.
3) The unsaved.

Only GOD Know who is saved or not, certainly not me but I gave a warning to verify that your doctrine must follow Christ teachings , he is the way to eternal life no one else. We are in the end times, we all have to repent The Kingdom Heaven is near.

 

[mailmandan]

They are those who say the believe Christ but in action do not do what Christ is asking us to do.

Traditions and Commandments (KJV)
Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or hismother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free.Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Be careful and verify everything! Your perfect point of reference is Christ, the words, teachings he left for us in the gospels. if there is a difference in the teachings something is wrong. remember the lord knows out hearts and will test us to see if we are faithful and remain in him.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of yoursouls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Called to Be Holy
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

"They" in Matthew 15:1-9 are the scribes and Pharisees. So just how obedient and holy must you be before the Lord can save you? Where do you draw the line in the sand?

 

[Cameron143]

Did God leave them or did they choose to depart themselves?

So what if they departed from God. He will always bring repentance because He will never leave them. What God has joined, man cannot separate. Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus the Lord.

 

[Cameron143]

No one is rejecting Paul’s scripture. Paul just never contradicted Christ, nor Himself as


We haven't received eternal life yet, only God knows who is written in the Book of Life as He is our righteous Judge. Once He comes all of our fates will be sealed eternally Rev 22:11

If Christ is in us/we have a relationship with Him He imputes His righteousness and therefore we would be willing and opening to any commandments He gives us, the same ones He kept and taught and He is our example and He will only lead us to His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 John 15:10. Many want Christ and ant His blessings, but don't want His standard of living and don't have a willing and moldable heart. This is called rebellion, and The Holy Spirit will call on us to come out of rebellion if we can hear His voice calling us Heb 3:7-8 but many prefer darkness, then coming to His truth and all of His commandments are His standard of Truth and Righteous Psa 119:151 Psa 119:172 and His work Exo 32:16

False. Eternal life is what Jesus came to bring. John 3:16. Eternal life is knowing God...John 17:3. The gospel in written for this very purpose...John 20:31. And we can know we possess it...1 John 5:13.
It's unfortunate that you don't realize that you can know God intimately. It's why you push the law so strictly. Because in it, you believe you have life. But it is that which testifies of Jesus and the life that is found in Him...John 5:39-40.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

False. Eternal life is what Jesus came to bring. John 3:16. Eternal life is knowing God...John 17:3. The gospel in written for this very purpose...John 20:31. And we can know we possess it...1 John 5:13.
It's unfortunate that you don't realize that you can know God intimately. It's why you push the law so strictly. Because in it, you believe you have life. But it is that which testifies of Jesus and the life that is found in Him...John 5:39-40.

The Test of Knowing Him
1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Here John makes the clear distinction that believing in Jesus is related to our obedience to Him. Those who choose to do evil (sin) does not come to the light because their deeds are evil, but we are called to come to the truth (light) so our deeds can be exposed. This is what the Ten Commandments does- it shows us our sin just like a mirror. When we bury our sins (stay in darkness) we don't confess or forsake them and therefore God can't give us His mercy and grace and give us the power to help overcome. Proverbs 28:13 Those who seek God want to come to the Truth so Jesus can help us overcome our sins. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 not in sin.


Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord [believer],’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do My will but to do the will of Him who sent me.

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Jesus never rebelled against the commandments

This is what He taught

Matt 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one dot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

How does one believe in Jesus but not His teachings that He followed and is our example.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

"They" in Matthew 15:1-9 are the scribes and Pharisees. So just how obedient and holy must you be before the Lord can save you? Where do you draw the line in the sand?

Mat 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. Jesus in us makes us perfect as He gives us His righteousness Psa 119:172 and He is perfect, just like His law Psa 19:7

Matthew 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

So what Jesus condemned of the Pharisees and Scribes like keeping their rules over the commandments of God which He said their heart is far them, I would not want to take the same path of the Pharisees and ignore this important teaching spoken by Jesus we are to live by Mat 4:4 .

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Both according to your two-sided arguments.

It all really comes down to the Sabbath which was given to Israel. (Exodus 31:16-17; Deuteronomy 5:15) The new covenant is not the old covenant repackaged. Things have changed. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13)

You keep citing scripture that is addressed to ISRAEL under the old covenant of law and applying it to US, the body of Christ under the new covenant. The old and new don't mix. (Matthew 9:16-17)

Jesus said the Sabbath was given to man, Mark 2:27 and to everyone Isa 56:1-6 and continues on for eternity Isa 66:23
Israel is just a name God gave to identify His people- why the New Covenant- God's law in our hearts is still written to Israel and those in Christ are grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28 and God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12

 

[vassal]

"They" in Matthew 15:1-9 are the scribes and Pharisees. So just how obedient and holy must you be before the Lord can save you? Where do you draw the line in the sand?

Do you know what the pharisee did? they corrupted the Laws and commandments, it was their wretched behaviour that was condemned, we see today this same behaviour, by those who change the commandments of GOD, they are the new pharisees and act the same way it is still condemned by GOD, It is Men who changed the sabbath from the last day to the first day, not GOD.

As for the sabbathcommandment ;
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

For Israel and all who believe in him.

the Pharisee were constantly after Jesus to see if he broke the law, Jesus was accused of breaking the law just for healing someone on the sabbath, the pharisees were so strict and added so many rules to the law that it became a burden to follow. Of course Healing someone on the sabbath cannot be a sin in any way, the foundation of God laws is Love, first Love God with all your heart then Love your neighbour as yourself.

Luk 14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
Luk 14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.
Luk 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.

see also Matt23.

 

[Cameron143]

The Test of Knowing Him
1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Here John makes the clear distinction that believing in Jesus is related to our obedience to Him. Those who choose to do evil (sin) does not come to the light because their deeds are evil, but we are called to come to the truth (light) so our deeds can be exposed. This is what the Ten Commandments does- it shows us our sin just like a mirror. When we bury our sins (stay in darkness) we don't confess or forsake them and therefore God can't give us His mercy and grace and give us the power to help overcome. Proverbs 28:13 Those who seek God want to come to the Truth so Jesus can help us overcome our sins. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 not in sin.


Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord [believer],’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do My will but to do the will of Him who sent me.

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Jesus never rebelled against the commandments

This is what He taught

Matt 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one dot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

How does one believe in Jesus but not His teachings that He followed and is our example.

There is more than 1 test of faith. Keeping the commandments is only 1. In 1 John there are 5 tests given. Why do you never mention them. It is important to give the full council of God.
And the problem with poor eschatology is that it affects other doctrines. The new heavens and earth have come. Jesus is the new creation. He is the firstborn. Through Him comes a new humanity. One that makes the redeemed partakers of the divine nature. He holds the keys of death and hell. Hell is being plundered like never before. Even closing their gates, He is plucking brands from the fire. God has given Him a place of honor and a name above all others. And is placing even today all things under His feat. You have no idea what happened at the cross. Your striving should have ceased if you had found rest in Him. But you have not. And you would burden everyone else the same way.
Cease from such things and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and your burden will fall on Him. His burden is light.

 

[Sipsey]

Jesus said the Sabbath was given to man, Mark 2:27 and to everyone Isa 56:1-6 and continues on for eternity Isa 66:23
Israel is just a name God gave to identify His people- why the New Covenant- God's law in our hearts is still written to Israel and those in Christ are grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28 and God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12

Your stress on keeping the Law, and especially Saturday worship, is what most are replying to. If one is able to “Do good works,” (after all that is why we were created, according to Scripture), that seems to still fall short, according to the standard you present.

Jesus said ,”You can do nothing without me.” To me that means that Jesus and the Holy Spirit get the credit. We are either carnal or spiritual at any point in time. It is an either/or proposition. Confession (1Jn. 1:9) and repentance bring us back into fellowship. If one keeps the Law or does a good work, and it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is wood, hay, and stubble.

Again, without the Holy Spirits help we can do nothing of any eternal value, so I praise God for His help, not my actions. The best we can do, is to simply agree with God.

• When Jesus says, “I desire mercy, not sacrifice,” he is emphasizing that God values acts of kindness, compassion, and love more than mere ritualistic observances.
• The word “mercy” here refers to showing compassion, forgiveness, and understanding to those in need.
• “Sacrifice” represents the religious rituals, offerings, and external displays of piety, including ritualistic Law observance.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

There is more than 1 test of faith. Keeping the commandments is only 1. In 1 John there are 5 tests given. Why do you never mention them. It is important to give the full council of God.
And the problem with poor eschatology is that it affects other doctrines. The new heavens and earth have come. Jesus is the new creation. He is the firstborn. Through Him comes a new humanity. One that makes the redeemed partakers of the divine nature. He holds the keys of death and hell. Hell is being plundered like never before. Even closing their gates, He is plucking brands from the fire. God has given Him a place of honor and a name above all others. And is placing even today all things under His feat. You have no idea what happened at the cross. Your striving should have ceased if you had found rest in Him. But you have not. And you would burden everyone else the same way.
Cease from such things and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and your burden will fall on Him. His burden is light.

If you quoted scripture, you would see there is more to it than just what you wrote. We need to embrace all of scriptures.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[Cameron143]

If you quoted scripture, you would see there is more to it than just what you wrote. We need to embrace all of scriptures.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough.

In the words of Clint Eastwood...I reckon so.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Your stress on keeping the Law, and especially Saturday worship, is what most are replying to. If one is able to “Do good works,” (after all that is why we were created, according to Scripture), that seems to still fall short, according to the standard you present.

Jesus said ,”You can do nothing without me.” To me that means that Jesus and the Holy Spirit get the credit. We are either carnal or spiritual at any point in time. It is an either/or proposition. Confession (1Jn. 1:9) and repentance bring us back into fellowship. If one keeps the Law or does a good work, and it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is wood, hay, and stubble.

Again, without the Holy Spirits help we can do nothing of any eternal value, so I praise God for His help, not my actions. The best we can do, is to simply agree with God.

• When Jesus says, “I desire mercy, not sacrifice,” he is emphasizing that God values acts of kindness, compassion, and love more than mere ritualistic observances.
• The word “mercy” here refers to showing compassion, forgiveness, and understanding to those in need.
• “Sacrifice” represents the religious rituals, offerings, and external displays of piety, including ritualistic Law observance.

If you read your bible, you will see it is not me who is stressing we keep God's commandments. Its literally all throughout the scriptures.

O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
(Deu 5:29 )

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

What Jesus told us to teach (and not teach)

Mat 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If no one was talking about the forgotten commandment- God said to Remember we might miss the blessing Christ is trying to give us. Exo 20:8-11 Isa 56:1-6, Isa 58:13-14 Isa 66:22-23

We are not save in sin, we are saved from sin. Sin separates us from God. Isa 59:2 Through Christ all things are possible, including obedience to God which reconciles us Rev 22:14

 

[Mem]

"You search the scripture because you think that in them you possess eternal life; These (the scripture) are they that testify about Me..."
You can know scripture, like these pharisees, and still not know Him, "...yet, you refuse to come to Me to have life."

 

[Mem]

Jesus told the group that said, "didn't we do many great things in your Name?" And subsequently replied the them, "I never knew you (is in ye, that is, referring to them in the plural sense). It would behoove everyone to get to know Jesus intimately, as in individual apart from your particularly favorite group, because He is not interested in any intimate relationship with them. I mean, isn't that is the antithetical to any intimacy? And that's a rhetorical question, since I'm pretty sure it is.