The 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses

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SabbathBlessing

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Then there is this idea of what Lows are written on our hearts --- --which which are not the 10 Commandments ---



Which Law did God write on our hearts?
https://itisfinished.blog/2017/07/05/which-law-did-god-write-on-our-hearts/


I do know quite a few people who believe that the law God has written on our new hearts as believers is the Old Covenant Law, making it easier to walk out. Why would God write the Mosaic Law on our hearts? All that the Law did was arouse sinful passions (Romans 7:5). Also, Romans 7:4 says that we died to the Law through Christ and we are now married to Him. So, if it’s not the Mosaic Law on our hearts. Which law did He write? According to Hebrews 10:16 He wrote laws (plural) on our hearts and our minds. I’ve found 4 different laws mentioned in the New Testament.

The Law of Love
Under the Mosaic Law, love was commanded in order to receive the blessings of long life, many children and for life to go well for you. Failure to obey this command of love would obviously result in not attaining those things. Deuteronomy 6:5 “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” This is impossible to fulfill in ourselves! No one can love God with ALL of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. We try… we give it our best shot… but that is an impossibility in and of ourselves. But of course that was the purpose of the Old Covenant laws… they were meant to point us to Christ. To awaken in us the revelation that we in our selves… in our flesh… we cannot walk out or obey these laws… we need a Savior.
Under the new covenant of grace, Love is given to you. Out of Christ’s measureless love, we are now able to love others. It’s out of the overflow of His Love in us. It’s not something we have to work up in ourselves towards others or even towards God. Romans 5:5 tells us God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. God abundantly poured His love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, … the Spirit of Grace. Jesus said, “As I have loved you” – it’s out of His love that is in us that we are able to love. Do you see the difference between the old and new? Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment…. you feared not receiving His blessings, His promises. But under the new, you love because the Lover lives in you and His nature is Love. He can’t be anything else. It’s not just an adjective that describes Him, it is who He is (1 Jn 4:8)

The law of the Spirit of life
The Old Covenant was a written code no one could keep (except Jesus) and the New Covenant is Christ Himself living in you. Paul told us in Romans 7:24 that trying to keep the Old Law makes you frustrated and miserable… “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” Notice he didn’t say what will rescue me but rather Who… Who will rescue me? And the answer was….Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a). The old law is a what but the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new law of the Spirit gives life (Rom 8:2). The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life (2 Cor 3:6) So Who gives life… Who rescued from the frustration of trying to keep the Law? The Spirit of Christ within you.

The perfect law of liberty
James wrote that “the perfect law gives freedom” (James 1:25). In contrast, Romans 7:6 tells us that the law of Moses binds. What is the perfect law that gives freedom?
It’s Jesus, the living Word who set us free. The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit He will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (James 1:25)
Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults… your weaknesses in serving God in the flesh. It is like putting a veil over your eyes and you are unable to see that Jesus fulfilled it all not just for you… but as you! Looking into the perfect law, which is Jesus, blesses you because it reveals his righteousness.
But it also says “Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (James 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in Him you are righteous and holy. Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.



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This is a popular teaching by many if not most churches even what was predicted Rev 12:17, but it is not what Jesus or the disciples taught. Jesus did not die for our sins we can now worship other gods, bow to images, vain God's name, profane His holy Sabbath, covet, murder, steal or break the least of these commandments thus saith Jesus Mat 5:19-30

Fist we need to understand God's covenant. In all of God's Word the Ten Commandments is not called the "Mosaic Covenant" God identifies the Ten Commandments as "My covenant" God alone is writing the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 , this is His works, not Moses. The Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark of the covenant and the earthy temple was a copy of God's heavenly Temple where His covenant resides Rev 11:19 under His mercy seat where justice and grace come together and why not one jot or tittle can be removed as it is what we will be judged by. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Exo 32:16 16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

No wonder all of the Ten Commandments were kept and taught by Jesus in the New Covenant as it is still what defines sin when broken Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 and how we are to love God and neighbor. 1 John 5:2-3, Romans 13:9 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

There are no teachings by Jesus or the apostles we can break the Ten Commandments. They were kept faithfully by Jesus and He taught not to break the least of these as it effects our status in heaven as it shows He does not reside in us John 14:15-18 Rom 8:7-8. The commandments are not meant to save only Jesus saves through faith - keeping the commandments shows we live by faith and by every Word. Mat 4:4 and He lives in us John 14:15-18 who enables us to keep His commandments and when Jesus enters us we want to obey everything He asks of us because we love Him. God's people will keep His law faithfully until He returns Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
 

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Of course God is unchanging. However He gave the 7th day Sabbath specifically to Israel, but there is no such command to the Church. Instead Christ said that He is Lord of the Sabbath, which also means that He has the right and the authority to change THE DAY of the week -- not the purpose of the Sabbath.

Now if you wish to see how Christ established the first day of the week, kindly go to John 20 and read about Jesus coming to meet Thomas on the eighth day after His resurrection, not the next day. Why did Christ wait until the following eighth day? Because He knew that Thomas would worship Him on that day. Also the day of Pentecost would be on the first day of the week.

And the apostolic churches made it a practice to worship on the first day of the week. And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:6,7) Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (1 Cor 16:2) Thus this became "the Lord's Day" (in honor of His resurrection): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Rev 1:10). John called that day "the Lord's Day" by divine inspiration. Had it been the Sabbath, he would have said so.
It is quite clear that Jesus, the Jews, the disciples, Paul followed the commandments, even in the O.T. we find;

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
As I explained in the O.P the Commandments are set apart and are forever, this includes the last day of the week sabbath fourth Commandment.

Gradually after all of the apostles died of the N.T. the sabbath day was changed to the lord's day or Sunday worship, the earliest I found was in the mid second century in Italy where they observed Sunday sabbath. The major change occurred in 321 A.D. Constantine made Sunday sabbath worship into a law.

There is no biblical evidence for Sunday worship, None of the 8 verses containing "first day of the week" say that the apostles stopped observing the sabbath and observed the Sunday as the day of sabbath.

as for Act 20:7 the sabbath start is from Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown;
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

The first day of the week started Saturday just after sunset, this is what is described a meeting and they broke bread until midnight late at night on the first day of the week, it does not say they did not observe the sabbath but that they continued to worship late at night on the first day of the week.

The "lord's Day" is mentioned only once in the Bible in;
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
some cross reference for this verse are;
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath
Lord of the sabbath day or "Lord's day"

same for Luke 6:5 ;"And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
For verse, 1 cor 16:2;

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1Co 16:4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Where does it mention a sabbath day? A collection for the saints to be brought to Jerusalem is mentioned not sabbath rest Paul even said not to gather when he comes....

There is No evidence in the N.T that the Sabbath was moved from Saturday to Sunday. It is Men who changed the law of GOD.
 

SabbathBlessing

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There is No evidence in the N.T that the Sabbath was moved from Saturday to Sunday. It is Men who changed the law of GOD.
Amen. It was changed just as predicted in scripture. Dan 7:25

Sunday came from sun worship and became a tradition of man and turned into Sunday worship. Scripture says the whole world will be deceived, its so obvious yet people hold fast to their traditions instead of obeying the commanemnts of God.

There is clear evidence in history that the Sabbath was changed and the people who changed it admit they did so on their authority, they are above the bible and we should follow tradition over scripture.

Why Jesus in His own Words warned us not to keep traditions over the commandments of God, and went so far to say it is worshipping in vain (false worship) and our hearts are far from Him (opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts and minds)

Matthew 14:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


We are called to worship Him in Truth and Spirit- all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

We are living in the last days and no wonder He is calling His people out of their false teachings Rev 18:4 which He calls abominations. Revelation 17:4 And if one does a deep study on all the things God calls abominations including sun worship Eze 8:16-17 its amazing how far away we have come from God's pure Word. Pro 30:5-6
 

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Amen. It was changed just as predicted in scripture. Dan 7:25

Sunday came from sun worship and became a tradition of man and turned into Sunday worship. Scripture says the whole world will be deceived, its so obvious yet people hold fast to their traditions instead of obeying the commanemnts of God.

There is clear evidence in history that the Sabbath was changed and the people who changed it admit they did so on their authority, they are above the bible and we should follow tradition over scripture.

Why Jesus in His own Words warned us not to keep traditions over the commandments of God, and went so far to say it is worshipping in vain (false worship) and our hearts are far from Him (opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts and minds)

Matthew 14:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


We are called to worship Him in Truth and Spirit- all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

We are living in the last days and no wonder He is calling His people out of their false teachings Rev 18:4 which He calls abominations. Revelation 17:4 And if one does a deep study on all the things God calls abominations including sun worship Eze 8:16-17 its amazing how far away we have come from God's pure Word. Pro 30:5-6
I agree , thanks for the verse Dan 7:25, I had forgotten about this one.

Blessings
 

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Sunday came from sun worship and became a tradition of man and turned into Sunday worship.
That may be so, but the Bible does not speak about "Sunday". The Bible speaks about "the first day of the week". The day on which Christ rose from the dead. So focusing on "Sunday" is just a straw man argument. Christians call the first day of the week "The Lord's Day". This term is never applied to the 7th day Sabbath.

BTW the 7th day of the week is called "Saturday" in honor of the pagan god Saturn. So do you worship Saturn? As a matter of fact Sol is a better god than Saturn. "This god is so malevolent that a single glance from the evil-eyed deity burned off the head of the infant Ganesa, god of good fortune and prosperity. Associated with childhood disease, Sani demonstrates that not even a god's luck can stand against the inevitability that Saturn represents."
 

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That may be so, but the Bible does not speak about "Sunday". The Bible speaks about "the first day of the week". The day on which Christ rose from the dead. So focusing on "Sunday" is just a straw man argument. Christians call the first day of the week "The Lord's Day". This term is never applied to the 7th day Sabbath.

BTW the 7th day of the week is called "Saturday" in honor of the pagan god Saturn. So do you worship Saturn? As a matter of fact Sol is a better god than Saturn. "This god is so malevolent that a single glance from the evil-eyed deity burned off the head of the infant Ganesa, god of good fortune and prosperity. Associated with childhood disease, Sani demonstrates that not even a god's luck can stand against the inevitability that Saturn represents."
Yes, the first day of the week is what we now call Sunday. In scripture there is nothing that connects the Lords day to the first day of the week. God only has one holy day that He claimed on His authority all other days are working days Exo 20:9

God in His own Words identified His holy day which is what I follow since its a commandment of God.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God does not change.

PS- Your BTW is not from scripture. Many pagan rituals outside of scripture became Christian traditions. Something scripture warns us about. Mat 15:3-9 Isa 8:20
 

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That may be so, but the Bible does not speak about "Sunday". The Bible speaks about "the first day of the week". The day on which Christ rose from the dead. So focusing on "Sunday" is just a straw man argument. Christians call the first day of the week "The Lord's Day". This term is never applied to the 7th day Sabbath.

BTW the 7th day of the week is called "Saturday" in honor of the pagan god Saturn. So do you worship Saturn? As a matter of fact Sol is a better god than Saturn. "This god is so malevolent that a single glance from the evil-eyed deity burned off the head of the infant Ganesa, god of good fortune and prosperity. Associated with childhood disease, Sani demonstrates that not even a god's luck can stand against the inevitability that Saturn represents."
Because Jesus rose on the first day of the week, this does not make it God's holy day. Jesus rose that day because He was resting on the sabbath. There is no biblical truth to show that the first day is the Lords day but there are verses that show that the seventh day sabbath is the Lords' day. Mark 2:28, Ex 20, Isa 58:13. You are following tradition.

The names of the day's mean little, but what the Lord says is what counts. God said Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
 

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Because Jesus rose on the first day of the week, this does not make it God's holy day. Jesus rose that day because He was resting on the sabbath. There is no biblical truth to show that the first day is the Lords day but there are verses that show that the seventh day sabbath is the Lords' day. Mark 2:28, Ex 20, Isa 58:13. You are following tradition.

The names of the day's mean little, but what the Lord says is what counts. God said Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
roman ruler pliny the younger reported to the emperor that " Christians met for a meal in the early hours, before dawn, on the first day of the week.." in his investigation of Christians.

so, you know, " at dawn on the first day of the week"

a little history never hurts.
 

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Because Jesus rose on the first day of the week, this does not make it God's holy day. Jesus rose that day because He was resting on the sabbath. There is no biblical truth to show that the first day is the Lords day but there are verses that show that the seventh day sabbath is the Lords' day. Mark 2:28, Ex 20, Isa 58:13. You are following tradition.

The names of the day's mean little, but what the Lord says is what counts. God said Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
His body was lifeless in a tomb. It wasn't subject to the law.
 

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Shabbat (The Lord's Day) also known as Saturday is the 7th day. It is the day we are SUPPOSED to rest from all our work. Yeshua Himself said "Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Mark 2:27.

To help clarify: The Hebrews back then kept time by Watches. Not like we do.
Yeshua rose sometime between watches between Shabbat 3rd night watch and very early Sunday morning.

John 20:1 The first day of the week (Sunday) cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. ...
 

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His body was lifeless in a tomb. It wasn't subject to the law.
Are you subject to God's moral laws? The point was that there is no biblical reason to call sunday the Lords day.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

As Lord of the Sabbath when did Jesus say we should change the day?
 

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This is a popular teaching by many if not most churches even what was predicted Rev 12:17, but it is not what Jesus or the disciples taught. Jesus did not die for our sins we can now worship other gods, bow to images, vain God's name, profane His holy Sabbath, covet, murder, steal or break the least of these commandments thus saith Jesus Mat 5:19-30

Fist we need to understand God's covenant. In all of God's Word the Ten Commandments is not called the "Mosaic Covenant" God identifies the Ten Commandments as "My covenant" God alone is writing the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 , this is His works, not Moses. The Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark of the covenant and the earthy temple was a copy of God's heavenly Temple where His covenant resides Rev 11:19 under His mercy seat where justice and grace come together and why not one jot or tittle can be removed as it is what we will be judged by. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Exo 32:16 16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

No wonder all of the Ten Commandments were kept and taught by Jesus in the New Covenant as it is still what defines sin when broken Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 and how we are to love God and neighbor. 1 John 5:2-3, Romans 13:9 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

There are no teachings by Jesus or the apostles we can break the Ten Commandments. They were kept faithfully by Jesus and He taught not to break the least of these as it effects our status in heaven as it shows He does not reside in us John 14:15-18 Rom 8:7-8. The commandments are not meant to save only Jesus saves through faith - keeping the commandments shows we live by faith and by every Word. Mat 4:4 and He lives in us John 14:15-18 who enables us to keep His commandments and when Jesus enters us we want to obey everything He asks of us because we love Him. God's people will keep His law faithfully until He returns Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
New Testament teaching is that the Law is obsolete. There is a superior law now, the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. If the 10 commandments are your standard, your standard is way too low. God's standard is Jesus now, not the law. What does "Died to the law" mean? That's in my Bible. How about yours?

If my car is running low on petrol, I get some. The religious have a fit if I do that on the Sabbath. It's work, after all. However, it beats running out of fuel on my way to church. You really think that God is mad at me for that "transgression"? That's how law works.
 

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If my car is running low on petrol, I get some. The religious have a fit if I do that on the Sabbath. It's work, after all. However, it beats running out of fuel on my way to church. You really think that God is mad at me for that "transgression"? That's how law works.
Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Let God judge you. The question i ask is can i prepare for the sabbath so i don't need to worry about these situations.
If you surrender to the Lord and walk as He dirrects the sabbath becomes a delight.

Man has a habit of taking God's commandments and both destroying (making void) them or making them so strict (man made rules, tradition), that the good is lost.
 

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Of course God is unchanging. However He gave the 7th day Sabbath specifically to Israel, but there is no such command to the Church. Instead Christ said that He is Lord of the Sabbath, which also means that He has the right and the authority to change THE DAY of the week -- not the purpose of the Sabbath.

Now if you wish to see how Christ established the first day of the week, kindly go to John 20 and read about Jesus coming to meet Thomas on the eighth day after His resurrection, not the next day. Why did Christ wait until the following eighth day? Because He knew that Thomas would worship Him on that day. Also the day of Pentecost would be on the first day of the week.

And the apostolic churches made it a practice to worship on the first day of the week. And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:6,7) Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (1 Cor 16:2) Thus this became "the Lord's Day" (in honor of His resurrection): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Rev 1:10). John called that day "the Lord's Day" by divine inspiration. Had it been the Sabbath, he would have said so.
That sums up the evidence for the first day being the Lord's day.

Also, church tradition established the first day as the day, when we gather and break the bread.

Only Israel received the law, covenants, temple, priesthood.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and daughters, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the temple service, and the promises; 5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh.

Israel was the only country in the world with a Sabbath day.

Did the Gentiles know the God of the Old Testament, did the Gentiles obey a Sabbath?

Ephesians 2:11-12
Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

It is very clear that the Gentiles knew nothing about the law, not even the Sabbath law.

Rome did not get a day off a week until Constantine. It was impossible for a Roman to obey a Sabbath, in the first, second, or third century.
 

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MATTHEW 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel
of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.


MATTHEW 9:35
Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness.


MARK 6:2a
When the Sabbath came, He began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard Him were astonished.


LUKE 4:16
Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom,
He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,


LUKE 4:31
Then He went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath He began to teach the people.


LUKE 6:6
On another Sabbath Jesus entered the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was withered.


LUKE 13:10
One Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues,


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Not much use preaching the gospel when people are away working. The Sabbath was the day of rest and the day for teaching and preaching.
 

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Are you subject to God's moral laws? The point was that there is no biblical reason to call sunday the Lords day.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

As Lord of the Sabbath when did Jesus say we should change the day?
God rested the 7th day. Jesus the 1st day. A case can be made from Matthew 28:1 for the change. A better translation would be...In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first of the Sabbaths...The same word translated week is the same word previously translated Sabbath.
Also, to truly keep the Sabbath one must understand what the Sabbath rest actually pointed to...and that is Christ and the rest to be found in Him. So anyone who merely thought they were keeping the Sabbath holy without connecting it to Christ was never actually keeping it fully.
Lastly, the transition from the old covenant to the new covenant, of necessity, would take some time. New revelation was necessary as the cross changed everything. So it was natural that Christians who were predominantly Jewish would continue in the ways that were familiar to them. But by Acts 20 the church was meeting on the first day of the week.
 

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What you wrote is about the law of Moses that can no Longer be followed, the 10 commandments written by the hand of GOD on permanent STONE still in the ark of the covenant still stand today. God said it, Jesus said it, the prophets upheld and revered the commandments what about the psalms about the commandments? it is all over the bible. this is all explained in the O.P. and scripture to back it up, here is one more;

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. ( jesus speaks here of the Law of Moses that he fulfilled, refereed to as "the law and the prophets" )
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ( jesus speaks here of the 10 Commandments )

it is abundantly clear!
The ten commandments were the spoken word before they were written.

Question, what do you do with these two commandments?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Looks as though you might have welded the old covenant into the new covenant.
 

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Didn't Jesus teach every day?
I don't know.

Israel gathered on the Sabbath and it appears that was the key day for preaching.

When Jesus was at the temple preaching that was often on the Sabbath.

Also, we find Paul preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath day.

I would be interested to know.