Water Baptism-What is in a Name?

[CS1]

you keep quoting water baptism did not save them.

Which is very miss leading for people.

Because what you should be saying is water baptism is a part of being saved.

And you keep dropping the feelings bombs by being to authoritative. Which is only going to promote jumped-up nerves

The Holy Spirit doesn't come upon a person who was not saved, nor does the Holy Spirit empower a person who is not saved.

You are taking what is known as the Ordainces of the church and making them. Needful for salvation. Next, you will tell me that Communion, the wine and bread, is the real body and Blood of Jesus.

What saved everyone in the Bible was Jesus, not water baptism. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the Power of God for salvation; that is what the word of God says.


"Because what you should be saying is water baptism is a part of being saved."


We have said it in more ways than you can understand.

Many of us said I know I said :

Those who are saved will be baptized in water as our Lord was unto Obedience. You apparently will not see that.

Many of us also said water baptism in Jesus' name is a valid Baptism as water baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

If you do not agree with that, fine; many of us disagree with that. I am not saying you're not saved, but you and some like you tried to suggest were confusing and provided a narrative about Church history and the Bible itself.


You and some like you are legalistic. The confusion, I would say, comes from those who say other people's water Baptism is not valid.

Your wrong. From your post in other threads, you don't even know. About "Spiritual baptism."


And trying to teach others? Confusion? Look in the mirror, guy.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Holy Spirit doesn't come upon a person who was not saved, nor does the Holy Spirit empower a person who is not saved.

You are taking what is known as the Ordainces of the church and making them. Needful for salvation. Next, you will tell me that Communion, the wine and bread, is the real body and Blood of Jesus.

What saved everyone in the Bible was Jesus, not water baptism. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the Power of God for salvation; that is what the word of God says.


"Because what you should be saying is water baptism is a part of being saved."


We have said it in more ways than you can understand.

Many of us said I know I said :

Those who are saved will be baptized in water as our Lord was unto Obedience. You apparently will not see that.

Many of us also said water baptism in Jesus' name is a valid Baptism as water baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

If you do not agree with that, fine; many of us disagree with that. I am not saying you're not saved, but you and some like you tried to suggest were confusing and provided a narrative about Church history and the Bible itself.


You and some like you are legalistic. The confusion, I would say, comes from those who say other people's water Baptism is not valid.

Your wrong. From your post in other threads, you don't even know. About "Spiritual baptism."


And trying to teach others? Confusion? Look in the mirror, guy.

all I'm getting from you, is you this and your this.

You say I'm dropping feelings bombs, when obviously you have a defensive issue of your own, which is fine.

But I ain't going to insult your intelligence and say you have a cognitive issue.

Because that would be insinuation, neither would I want to wrongly paint a picture.


Its not about arguing over salvation, it's about accepting the importance,. of the instruction, to be baptised.

How can you be washed by the blood,

How is that even possible. You can't have real blood poured over you, it has to be spiritual in the form of a seed.

The living water is the spiritual blood of Jesus that must live in the holy spirit, that comes upon you and baptises you into water.

It not the hand of a man, it's not the instruction of a legalist, it's the love of The Holy Spirit and the love of Jesus, who died for your sins, who asked this, not me.

Jesus asked you and left his instruction.

The people who baptise you are just the witness to people who testify to The kingdom, when being baptised. It's a family gathering,


You know about witness and the importance of this.

They don't save you however they lead you.

The Holy Spirit saves you. It is the holy spirit that comes upon you first before you are washed.

All I'm asking is you acknowledge this

 

[CS1]

all I'm getting from you, is you this and your this.

You say I'm dropping feelings bombs, when obviously you have a defensive issue of your own, which is fine.

But I ain't going to insult your intelligence and say you have a cognitive issue.

Because that would be insinuation, neither would I want to wrongly paint a picture.


Its not about arguing over salvation, it's about accepting the importance,. of the instruction, to be baptised.

How can you be washed by the blood,

How is that even possible. You can't have real blood poured over you, it has to be spiritual in the form of a seed.

The living water is the spiritual blood of Jesus that must live in the holy spirit, that comes upon you and baptises you into water.

It not the hand of a man, it's not the instruction of a legalist, it's the love of The Holy Spirit and the love of Jesus, who died for your sins, who asked this, not me.

Jesus asked you and left his instruction.

The people who baptise you are just the witness to people who testify to The kingdom, when being baptised. It's a family gathering,


You know about witness and the importance of this.

They don't save you however they lead you.

The Holy Spirit saves you. It is the holy spirit that comes upon you first before you are washed.

All I'm asking is you acknowledge this

LOL Feeling FYI

Acts 1:8, chapter 10, chapter 19, John Chapter 14 in Context were provided. You wrote a paragraph here and did not mention one verse to refute my feeling, LOL.
You chose to be personal, and that's.

Yes, I do think there is an issue with you. Or you are a troll. I'm sorry, but something is amiss. Let's just agree to disagree, and I will not respond to your post and don't respond to mine when they are not to you. Ok

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

LOL Feeling FYI

Acts 1:8, chapter 10, chapter 19, John Chapter 14 in Context were provided. You wrote a paragraph here and did not mention one verse to refute my feeling, LOL.
You chose to be personal, and that's.

Yes, I do think there is an issue with you. Or you are a troll. I'm sorry, but something is amiss. Let's just agree to disagree, and I will not respond to your post and don't respond to mine when they are not to you. Ok

Ok thanks it's ok really.

I don't mind being called a troll im use to it now, but you are acting with impulse.


But I would like you to listen to some basic knowledge, that hopefully will help you to believe there is a simple instruction.

For God saying believe and be baptised.

 

[CS1]

Ok thanks it's ok really.

I don't mind being called a troll im use to it now, but you are acting with impulse.


But I would like you to listen to some basic knowledge, that hopefully will help you to believe there is a simple instruction.

For God saying believe and be baptised.

Acts 1:8
John chapter 14
Acts chapter 10
Acts chapter 19

John chapter 1

Roman chapter 6

I have been baptized

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Acts 1:8
John chapter 14
Acts chapter 10
Acts chapter 19

John chapter 1

Roman chapter 6

I have been baptized

What is the reason God said to believe and be baptised.

Did he say believe and be baptised by the Holy Spirit.

Did he say believe and be baptised in water by the holy spirit.

Did he say I have been baptised and I have been saved.


Let me remind you.

He said believe and be baptised

Question why should anyone say believe and be baptised, must only mean one thing that people should say water baptism is not necessary for being saved.

He only said believe and be baptised.

Most scriptures speak about water when being baptised.

So why would anyone believe water baptism is not in the verse that says believe and be baptised.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

LOL Feeling FYI


Yes, I do think there is an issue with you. Or you are a troll. I'm sorry, but something is amiss. Let's just agree to disagree, and I will not respond to your post and don't respond to mine when they are not to you. Ok

You say you are saved, and a pastor.

But so far you have repeatedly called me names.

But You ignore my requests to stop and continue to call me names.


Ive spent time presenting you with basic understandings and basic questions.

And your response has been to call me names repeatedly nearly every day for weeks.

This is not a good way to be a pastor.

And it's most certainly the behaviour that you as a pastor are to protect people from.

As now I have many people following you, calling me a troll who I can not make peace with.

Should you not know better to resort to name calling.

You should not have this much bitterness for a saved pastor, and it should be a privilege to teach on the behalf of the lord.

But yet all you do is call people names.


Did you get salvation beaten into you by someone. Because you sound in pain

 

[Wansvic]

Sadly, many have issues with the Writers of the bible who have recorded what Jesus said:

"Go and make disciples, Baptizing them in the name of The Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit." And try to use a narrative to discredit the word of God. And when Jesus is speaking, HIS word is established when HE said it. Therefore, when it says

that every word will be established by 2-3 witnesses. (Matt. 18:16, 2 Cor. 13:1)

That contextually is man, Not the Lord Jesus, who is the Supreme AUTHORITY because he is GOD.

Your accusation that I discredit the word of God is nonsense.

The apostles acted in accordance with Jesus' command given in Matthew 28:19. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) There is no contradiction. This is clear to those willing to accept the Word as written. You may want to consider that fact.

 

[Wansvic]

Did I say that>?

No.

Let's see what Paul actually said in Acts 19 that you may have overlooked.

1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2, he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”


"Believed" in Greek is pisteuō, Meaning to Paul's qestion: to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith.


So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.



This has nothing to do with water Baptism. To trying to say Baptism in the name of Jesus was done in water, that is assumed.

It says they received the Holy Spirit Upon them. As Jesus said would happen in Acts 1:8

The account records the baptism in the name of Jesus. (water) And AFTERWARD they received the Holy Ghost.


Please provide scripture the proves baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is anything other than water baptism.


These scriptures prove it is:
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10:47-48

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:13


"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17

 

[Wansvic]

...
1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2, he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
...

The scripture actually states, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed?" Meaning a person can believe yet not be indwelt with the Holy Ghost until later. Both this account, (Acts 19:1-6) as well as the Samaritan's experience recorded in Acts 8:12-18 proves this to be true.

The 12 believed in Jesus and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water) But did not receive the Holy Ghost until Paul laid hands upon them. (Acts 19:6)

The Samaritans waited days after being baptized before being indwelt with the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18)

 

[Wansvic]

In addition to this

In the "Spiritual Baptism Thread you said :

My biggest concern is people fully leaning on the idea the day of Pentecost has been fulfilled, I feal the day of Pentecost is for every new believer also.

I'm also believing water baptism came before the day of Pentecost, and water baptism had to be changed in line with the day of Pentecost, because after the day of Pentecost, if my memory serves me correctly,.some people where not performing water baptism in line with the day of Pentecost, or people had to be re baptised because some sort of a mistake was made.

I probably need this explaining to me again, as my thoughts are unsure at the moment


There is no biblical text even provided for this understanding yet you said it.

I understand Thunderrr-mental to be saying:

1. The NT rebirth as outlined on the Day of Pentecost is still valid. (Acts 2:38) Jesus prophesied that repentance, and remission of sin would be preached in His name among all NATIONS and would BEGIN in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)

2. By God's design, water baptism is for remission of sin. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Luke 7:30, Acts 2:38, 22:16, etc.)

3. Water baptism was modified to include the name of Jesus in association with His sacrifice. (Acts 2:38)
Jesus prophesied this would occur. (Luke 24:47)

4. Paul rebaptized 12 Ephesians in the name of Jesus. Being baptized in the name of Jesus refers to water baptism as revealed elsewhere in scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 22:16, 1 Cor. 1:13-16)

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

brother @CS1 I know your a good brother at heart I mean you no harm.

You have said nice things to me, I remember when you complimented me for the work I had done on my garden.

Well i just want you see what my little mind That God keeps in order, has helped to build.

In this kitchen I cut every piece of wood to thickness length width,.from a tree I had cut down.

I have just finished.

 

[CS1]

The scripture actually states, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed?" Meaning a person can believe yet not be indwelt with the Holy Ghost until later. Both this account, (Acts 19:1-6) as well as the Samaritan's experience recorded in Acts 8:12-18 proves this to be true.

The 12 believed in Jesus and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water) But did not receive the Holy Ghost until Paul laid hands upon them. (Acts 19:6)

The Samaritans waited days after being baptized before being indwelt with the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18)

The quote was from the NKJV, so in the KJV, yes, the word SINCE they both actually say what they say.

NO, every person saved has the Holy Spirit in them. The empowering of the Holy Spirit can happen at salvation after salvation before water baptism during water baptism before water baptism as shown in the Book of Acts.
The Apostles had the Holy Spirit before Pentecost, as John chapter 20 shows us. Ans John chapters 14 to 16, as Jesus taught on the Holy Spirit.

 

[CS1]

brother @CS1 I know your a good brother at heart I mean you no harm.

You have said nice things to me, I remember when you complimented me for the work I had done on my garden.

Well i just want you see what my little mind That God keeps in order, has helped to build.

In this kitchen I cut every piece of wood to thickness length width,.from a tree I had cut down.

I have just finished.

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Outstanding

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Outstanding

Thanks sir C.S.1.

I don't believe into many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth, I believe in welcoming many cooks in to my kitchen.

There's many thing in life I can forgive and have learnt to, but if I get to many cooks eating all the broth well They get a custard pie in there face 😊

 

[TheLearner]

all in Dew time brother its so easy to understand.

for now Just know that the Holy Spirit baptises you into water 😊.

Good everytime I take a bath or wash my hands.
"-)

 

[TheLearner]

The Didache is not inspired. And it contradicts other teachings found in the Bible as well.

It is history, Chruch Fathers were taught by the Apostles.

 

[TheLearner]

The Father's name is Jesus? Again, Jesus did not say in Matthew 28:19 to Baptize in my name. You assume that and try to make Acts 2:28 Elite.

 

[TheLearner]

Acts 2:38 is not the only record revealing water baptism is to be done in the name of Jesus. All other detailed records express the same thing. (Acts 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Also note the truth as expressed through the words of Jesus:
"I have MANIFESTED thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." John 17:6-10

John 17:11
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP THROUGH THINE OWN NAME those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE."

Again, in name of = authority

 

[TheLearner]

not keeping up wife kicking me off