The promise is God will call people to be baptised, why is that friendI am saved by grace through faith, not by the work of water Baptism but by the blood of Jesus.
The promise is God will call people to be baptised, why is that friendI am saved by grace through faith, not by the work of water Baptism but by the blood of Jesus.
The promise is God will call people to be baptised, why is that friend
I have no problem accepting correction from scripture. In fact it is the only defense against deception. Clearly you just don't see the point I was making about that scripture.No, he did not. Jesus said I must go or the Comforter will not come. It most certainly was an event to happen in the future
John 14:15-21
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
19 “ A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Chapter 15 of John 15:26-27
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John Chapter 16:5-7, which 14 & 15 chapters od John are contextual with each other:
"5 But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away;
for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you;
but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."
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Everything Jesus is saying in John chapter 14, 15, and 16 are spoken as an event that is or has not happen. Jesus said Will send, Not Has come. Jesus said, "I must go." he did not say I had left. The very language here is of something that has not happened yet.
I disagree
I think you are compelled to be correct. The problem is the word of God doesn't support it. The very fact you can't quote what someone has said and conjecture their words is the issue with your understanding.
No one said, "receiving the Holy Spirit twice".
" Come upon and In" are two works of the Holy Spirit in the believer.
John chapter 20: 22
"And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit."
Then He told them to go and wait
Luke 24:49
49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
The apostles were saved. And received the Holy Spirit. Then we were told to wait until Power comes, NOT Salvation. They were told to go and preach but to wait first.
We see in John Chapter 1:33
I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
This did not happen until they were all in the upper Room, and then the Power came.
The promise is the children who are under no covenant will be called to be baptised to receive the gift of the Holy spirit and forgiveness of sins , then they are under the covenantthose who are saved should follow Christ into Baptism as Obedience. No one said don't be baptized. What the word of God says is we are saved by what Jesus did on the Cross and faith in the work of the cross. Death, Burial, and Resurrection. the Gospel is preached, the Holy Spirit convicts one is able to be saved, then they get baptized as a public statement they are following Christ.
I have no problem accepting correction from scripture. In fact it is the only defense against deception. Clearly you just don't see the point I was making about that scripture.
I accept the scripture.I am happy to hear that; however, it was not I who said :
"Note Jesus DID NOT say the Comforter would dwell with AND in them in the future. That's the point. "
And on that point, it is not what the Bible shows. Jesus said and was speaking of a Future event Because:
- Jesus had not yet ascended
- The day of Pentacost had not come
- Jesus told the Disciples to go and wait FYI, that is a future waiting event
- They waited 10 days after Jesus Left that is a future day.
I don't think you see the Biblical. Text in context. Of this topic.
Did nothing happen on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts? And you do realize that John 14 must be seen with all other gospels that spoke of the samething?I accept the scripture.
"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;
for he dwelleth with you, (this means dwelling with you NOW)
AND
shall be in you." (this means will be IN you in the FUTURE) John 14:17
This was the reality Jesus spoke of John 14:17. The Holy Ghost that once dwelled with people came to dwell IN them.Did nothing happen on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts? And you do realize that John 14 must be seen with all other gospels that spoke of the samething?
Luke 24 and all the other Biblical texts that were provided.
Did nothing happen on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts? And you do realize that John 14 must be seen with all other gospels that spoke of the samething?
Luke 24 and all the other Biblical texts that were provided.
This was the reality Jesus spoke of John 14:17. The Holy Ghost that once dwelled with people came to dwell IN them.
"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38
John 20:22
Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Ezekiel prophesied concerning what first occurred on the Day of Pentecost, and is possible for all those living in the NT:No,
We see in scripture where it says in the Old Testament the Spirit of God came upon and also departed.
Saul:
1sam 16:14
"But the Spirit of the LORD (Holy Spirit) departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the LORD troubled him."
Samson:
Judges 16:20
And she said, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” So he awoke from his sleep, and said, “I will go out as before, at other times, and shake myself free!” But he did not know that the Lord had departed from him.
Samson:
Judges 14:6
And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he tore the lion apart as one would have torn apart a young goat, though he had nothing in his hand. But he did not tell his father or his mother what he had done.
amen
Ezekiel prophesied concerning what first occurred on the Day of Pentecost, and is possible for all those living in the NT:
"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Ezek 36:25-27
"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (water) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41
Do you know that in the Old Testament, only Prophets, Kings, Judges, and Priest had the Holy Spirit come upon them or Poured out on them?
it was Joel who said in the Latter days, God would pour out His Spirit on all flesh men and women, meaning, Come upon as HE did His kings, Prophets, and rulers.
And I will remind you.
Peter, on the day of Pentacost, did not quote Ezekiel BUT Joel. As we read in Acts chapter 2:16
Again, the NT rebirth was not available to those in the OT.Do you know that in the Old Testament, only Prophets, Kings, Judges, and Priest had the Holy Spirit come upon them or Poured out on them?
it was Joel who said in the Latter days, God would pour out His Spirit on all flesh men and women, meaning, Come upon as HE did His kings, Prophets, and rulers.
And I will remind you.
Peter, on the day of Pentacost, did not quote Ezekiel BUT Joel. As we read in Acts chapter 2:16
I am unaware of scripture that specifically states Daniel had the actual Holy Spirit of God dwelling in him. We have to be cautious about accepting as truth statements made by those who do not know God. The Daniel scriptures contain statements made by King Nebuchadnezzar. He thought Daniel had the spirit of the holy godS in him.I did not know that. Just exploring now:
- Isaiah 63:10
But they turned against him. They made his Holy Spirit angry. So he then became their enemy. He fought against them.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations- Isaiah 63:11
Then they remembered past years, when Moses led their ancestors out of Egypt. They said, ‘Where is the Lord now, when we need him? He brought his people safely through the sea, with Moses as their leader. He caused his Holy Spirit to work among them.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations- Daniel 4:8
Last of all, Daniel came to me and I told him the dream. I call him Belteshazzar, like my god's name. The spirit of the holy gods is in this man, Daniel.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations- Daniel 4:9
I said to him, ‘Belteshazzar you are the leader of my wise men. I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you. I know that no secret is too difficult for you to explain. Here is the dream that I saw. Tell me what it means.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations- Daniel 4:18
Then I said to Belteshazzar, ‘This is the dream that I, King Nebuchadnezzar, had. Now, you must tell me what it means. None of the wise men in any region of my kingdom can tell me what it means. But you can tell me, because the spirit of the holy gods is in you.’
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations- Daniel 5:11
There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. When your father was alive, this man showed that he was very wise, like the gods. He could understand secret things. Your father, Nebuchadnezzar, made him the leader of all the magicians, wise men, enchanters and diviners.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
I believe there is many valid points hereEzekiel prophesied concerning what first occurred on the Day of Pentecost, and is possible for all those living in the NT:
"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Ezek 36:25-27
"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (water) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41
Even Pagans can recognize truth.I am unaware of scripture that specifically states Daniel had the actual Holy Spirit of God dwelling in him. We have to be cautious about accepting as truth statements made by those who do not know God. The Daniel scriptures contain statements made by King Nebuchadnezzar. He thought Daniel had the spirit of the holy godS in him.