I am stunned with all the rambling that you just went through! Please highlight the portion of my post that mentioned WORKS in any way, shape, or form!
Maybe you are saying the early reformers thought that works were needed for salvation. If so, then you need to read what they have to say, because they all agree man's works count for nothing.
As for your statement:
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works (plural) God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work (singular) of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:27-29
I totally agree. However, as ForestGreenCook posted earlier “The natural man, before he has been regenerated, receiveth not the things of the Spirit, neither can he know them”. In other words think (T), we are totally depraved. On second thought don't do that, It may make you think of Calvin!
God must therefore give us a new heart of flesh that we may hear, believe, and put our trust in him alone, in other words “believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:27-29. Without the work of the Spirit this could never happen. Therefore, there is no room to boast in yourself!
You might try studying the early reformers. You might just learn something!
Maybe you are saying the early reformers thought that works were needed for salvation. If so, then you need to read what they have to say, because they all agree man's works count for nothing.
As for your statement:
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works (plural) God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work (singular) of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:27-29
I totally agree. However, as ForestGreenCook posted earlier “The natural man, before he has been regenerated, receiveth not the things of the Spirit, neither can he know them”. In other words think (T), we are totally depraved. On second thought don't do that, It may make you think of Calvin!
God must therefore give us a new heart of flesh that we may hear, believe, and put our trust in him alone, in other words “believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:27-29. Without the work of the Spirit this could never happen. Therefore, there is no room to boast in yourself!
You might try studying the early reformers. You might just learn something!
I'm not sure where this thread is going. Early on, post #8 “God chose us out from all those whom He knew would believe”, seemed to take grace out of the picture. He did not choose us because He knew that we would believe, His choice was not based on any merit in us at all.
If someone hands you a million dollars with no strings attached, and you accept it? How could you claim merit for not refusing it?
The total depravity of man I agree with. Limited atonement is shameful in the light of what the Scriptures do tell us. Irresistible grace is an insult to God, as if He does not merit being believed in once grace suppresses the sin nature so our soul can choose to believe..... TULIP was attempt to explain how a fallen man can get saved, just like the Catholics made up Immaculate conception as a way to explain hos Jesus could be born sinless.......
But, why are you doing this?:
Potatoes do not need salvation.
They just need butter and salt,
That then causes man to experience salivation.
have a nice day.!
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