What if you die before water baptism?

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Thunderrr-mental

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Lafftur said:
Do you believe the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ has NO POWER to save unless a person is water baptized?
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God writes his discipline not me.

Whether your saved or not,

This scripture still stands



John 3:18

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18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.


Again God's word says you must be baptised
 
Lafftur

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Thunderrr-mental said:
God writes his discipline not me.

Whether your saved or not,

This scripture still stands



John 3:18

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18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.


Again God's word says you must be baptised
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You did not answer my question....:unsure:

Do you believe the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ has NO POWER to save unless a person is water baptized?
 
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Lafftur said:
You did not answer my question....:unsure:

Do you believe the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ has NO POWER to save unless a person is water baptized?
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I believe your only half a a pint Glass if you've not been baptised.

Because why well because God's word says you must be baptised 😊

Well Did Jesus say be baptised because it's symbolic
 
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@Thunderrr-mental

Jesus Christ loooooooves you so very much and wants you to know and be secure in His Love and in the POWER of His Blood and Body to save you.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
I believe your only half a a pint Glass if you've not been baptised.

Because why well because God's word says you must be baptised 😊

Well Did Jesus say be baptised because it's symbolic
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So the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't go to paradise because he wasn't baptized in water?

Read this carefully...

Romans 6:4-5, "We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his."

Clearly water baptism is symbolic. Nobody is literally "buried with him through baptism into death" nor have we literally "been united with him in a death like his". It is a symbolic death and a symbolic resurrection.
 
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Cameron143 said:
His blood washed away sin when He said...It is finished. It is made known to an individual when they are saved.
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nope if his blood washed away everyone's sins at the cross, there would be no need for anyone to confess there sins before the lord 😊
 
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jamessb said:
So the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't go to paradise because he wasn't baptized in water?

Read this carefully...

Romans 6:4-5, "We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his."

Clearly water baptism is symbolic. Nobody is literally "buried with him through baptism into death" nor have we literally "been united with him in a death like his". It is a symbolic death and a symbolic resurrection.
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. This scripture has nothing to do with the thief on the cross
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
His blood washes away your sins after water baptism 😊
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Nope. Water baptism has nothing to do with saving anyone. It is a sign AFTERWARDS that the saved Believer is now in covenant with Jesus Christ because they believe in and have received the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ to save them.

Water Baptism is a sign that the Believer is joined with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection of the Body. Our spirit receives God's Holy Spirit and now the Holy Spirit with God's Word is restoring our soul - our mind, will and emotions will eventually a line with God's. We will be just like Jesus Christ in spirit, soul and body.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
nope if his blood washed away everyone's sins at the cross, there would be no need for anyone to confess there sins before the lord 😊
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Salvation is a CHOICE. We do not receive salvation unless we choose to.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
His blood washes away your sins after water baptism 😊
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His blood washes away everyone's sins when they believe in Him. Water baptism is not a requirement.

John 3:16-18, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." There is no mention of water baptism; belief is all that is required to have eternal life.
 
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Lafftur said:
Nope. Water baptism has nothing to do with saving anyone. It is a sign AFTERWARDS that the saved Believer is now in covenant with Jesus Christ because they believe in and have received the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ to save them.

Water Baptism is a sign that the Believer is joined with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection of the Body. Our spirit receives God's Holy Spirit and now the Holy Spirit with God's Word is restoring our soul - our mind, will and emotions will eventually a line with God's. We will be just like Jesus Christ in spirit, soul and body.
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again God never said water baptism is symbolic.

God sad be baptised and receive the Gift of the holy spirit.

Which could imply you will receive a gift from the holy spirit.

Again when your baptised in water you should have received the holy spirit already,

But there is more to come from the holy spirit after water baptism which could mean a gift.

I like gifts 😊
 
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jamessb said:
His blood washes away everyone's sins when they believe in Him. Water baptism is not a requirement.

John 3:16-18, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." There is no mention of water baptism; belief is all that is required to have eternal life.
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Lafftur said:
Salvation is a CHOICE. We do not receive salvation unless we choose to.
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nope salvation is an unmerited favour
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
again God never said water baptism is symbolic.

God sad be baptised and receive the Gift of the holy spirit.

Which could imply you will receive a gift from the holy spirit.

Again when your baptised in water you should have received the holy spirit already,

But there is more to come from the holy spirit after water baptism which could me a gift.

I like gifts 😊
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Again, read Romans 6:3-5. It describes water baptism as a symbolic burial and resurrection.
 
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nope salvation is an unmerited favour
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It is true that no one deserves the Gift of Salvation because no one can ever earn it. Salvation has to be freely given to us by God which would be God's unmerited favor BUT, we still MUST CHOOSE TO RECEIVE God's Gift of Salvation for us.
 
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jamessb said:
A person must believe to be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
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a.must be baptised to receive a gift of the holy spirit 😊
 
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