The meaning of salvation
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Amen brother Gods grace teaches repentance and upright living is the thing it’s part of the message of grace what we need to learn and do Is part of the grace of god that saves us from sin and death
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
when we try to remove the content of repentance and right living doing good rather than evil from grace it becomes this instead
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Jude 1:4 KJV
Gods grace will always save because it will teach us repentance and righteousness but there’s another message of grace that removes the content and says “ your all saved don’t ever think you need to do what said “
ado you remember that’s what Israel’s prophets and preists began to do they said “ God will never bring the earnkngs of destruction upon us we’re chosen we’re a rahams chikdren we’re special “
airs the same thing now we say “ salvstion by grace “ then we explain this means you don’t need to hear gods word and believe and follow you don’t need to repent that’s a work you don’t need baptism for remission of sins that’s a work it’s not grace ect ect
Gods grace is the gospel it teaches us to repent and live right now in this world and anticipate the return of Jesus and live right while we do and even becoming zealous for good works redeeming us from all iniquity choosing a people for himself that are sanctified through his d sacrifice and the washing of his word
We use the term grace as a reason to ignore and reject the word of God that offers life
what I’m saying is there’s also a message of taking up water and earth and space and not bearing and fruit and it doesn’t end good for those branches there’s also that message of fear pertaining to jidgement that operates in us to change our minds and hearts about sin
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
when we try to remove the content of repentance and right living doing good rather than evil from grace it becomes this instead
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Jude 1:4 KJV
Gods grace will always save because it will teach us repentance and righteousness but there’s another message of grace that removes the content and says “ your all saved don’t ever think you need to do what said “
ado you remember that’s what Israel’s prophets and preists began to do they said “ God will never bring the earnkngs of destruction upon us we’re chosen we’re a rahams chikdren we’re special “
airs the same thing now we say “ salvstion by grace “ then we explain this means you don’t need to hear gods word and believe and follow you don’t need to repent that’s a work you don’t need baptism for remission of sins that’s a work it’s not grace ect ect
Gods grace is the gospel it teaches us to repent and live right now in this world and anticipate the return of Jesus and live right while we do and even becoming zealous for good works redeeming us from all iniquity choosing a people for himself that are sanctified through his d sacrifice and the washing of his word
We use the term grace as a reason to ignore and reject the word of God that offers life
what I’m saying is there’s also a message of taking up water and earth and space and not bearing and fruit and it doesn’t end good for those branches there’s also that message of fear pertaining to jidgement that operates in us to change our minds and hearts about sin
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I think you explained it pretty well.
There's a common misconception that anytime the word saved is used, it is applied, rather misapplied to eternal salvation from the wages of sin, death in hell.
I posted Matthew 24 earlier, for instance.
Jesus is speaking of His second coming and believers who endure the tribulation until He returns.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The context is clear, yet many will teach that hardships, good works, endurance are salvation requirements for heaven. Sometimes they will put Jesus in there somewhere, but what they teach are a works based salvation in whom the object of faith is self.
The gospel of John makes it extremely clear that faith/ believing must be only in Jesus apart from any of our own works. Salvation and our Savior is the theme of that gospel written not only to believers, but to the lost hell bound world so they too can be saved.
31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20
I don't care what y'all say... I'm gonna just say my idea here....
I know IN MY HEART that Yeshua suffered, was killed by the cruel death of mankind's SINS, AND ROSE FROM that death. WHY? Well, because ADONAI, HIS FATHER, loves us SOOOO MUCH that HE gave, and YESHUA AGREED TO BE that PERFECT sacrifice... to save US from the stupidity that we are...
John 3: 13-19 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
PERIOD.
I know IN MY HEART that Yeshua suffered, was killed by the cruel death of mankind's SINS, AND ROSE FROM that death. WHY? Well, because ADONAI, HIS FATHER, loves us SOOOO MUCH that HE gave, and YESHUA AGREED TO BE that PERFECT sacrifice... to save US from the stupidity that we are...
John 3: 13-19 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
PERIOD.
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“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:5 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
“Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”
Luke 15:10 KJV
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;
Acts 17:30 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
someone always explains why it’s not really relevant though
Luke 13:5 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
“Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”
Luke 15:10 KJV
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;
Acts 17:30 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
someone always explains why it’s not really relevant though
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oi.... no. I'm saying that's the end of my thought. and I stand fast on it. as I stand fast on the Word of my Messiach. Period.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:24
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John 5:24
Isaiah 55:3 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”
Mark 13:31
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