The meaning of salvation

[ForestGreenCook]

The definition of salvation , according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance"

there is a one time eternal deliverance that happened on the cross by Jesus remitting the sins of those that his Father gave him.

There will never be any other eternal deliverance's given as Jesus stated, while on the cross, "it is finished" meaning that the purpose of God sending him to earth as a man was finished on the cross.

If the scriptures are interpreted right, there are many deliverance's (salvation's) for his elect, as they sojourn here in earth, by their good works

Eternal deliverance is given by God's grace. The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The definition of salvation , according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance"

there is a one time eternal deliverance that happened on the cross by Jesus remitting the sins of those that his Father gave him.

There will never be any other eternal deliverance's given as Jesus stated, while on the cross, "it is finished" meaning that the purpose of God sending him to earth as a man was finished on the cross.

If the scriptures are interpreted right, there are many deliverance's (salvation's) for his elect, as they sojourn here in earth, by their good works

Eternal deliverance is given by God's grace. The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect.

Where in scripture does it say we can add anything to God's grace by our works?

 

[oyster67]

there is a one time eternal deliverance that happened on the cross by Jesus

One must call upon the name of the Lord. One must accept Jesus' Atonement as payment in full and ask Him to be their Lord and Savior. Open your heart's door today, dear friends. All have been born in sin, but salvation is available to whosoever will humbly come.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

2 Corinthians 6:
1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

 

[oyster67]

Where in scripture does it say we can add anything to God's grace by our works?

Nowhere does it say such.

Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[EternalFire]

Here's a great message on the meaning of salvation.

 

[studentoftheword]

f the scriptures are interpreted right, there are many deliverance's (salvation's) for his elect, as they sojourn here in earth, by their good works

What deliverence's are presented to the elect by doing Good Works -----????????

And the Greek word for Salvation is Soteria----and Sozo which provided us with not just deliverance of sin --but with more than that -----


Strong's #4991: soteria (pronounced so-tay-ree'-ah)

feminine of a derivative of 4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):--deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.
sōtēria

1) deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation

1a) deliverance from the molestation of enemies
1b) in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation


Sozo ----

sózó: to save

Definition: to save
Usage: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.

rescued from destruction and brought into divine safety").
to make well, heal, restore to health:
heal, be made whole.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The definition of salvation , according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance"

But there is much more to salvation than just deliverance. And in any event, salvation is offered freely to all mankind, since Christ died for the sins of the whole world. And because you brazenly deny that, you cannot speak about salvation at all.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Where in scripture does it say we can add anything to God's grace by our works?

Any effort to take action on the part of mankind to save himself eternally, is eternal salvation by works, and that will not harmonize with other scriptures.


Mark 16:16, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (delivered). To believe is an action of mankind, so is being baptized, and neither one of them will save (deliver) them eternally, however, both will save (deliver) them from their guilty conscience.

1 Pet 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save (deliver) us not the putting away the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This is a deliverance that the born again elect of God receives as they sojourn here on earth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

One must call upon the name of the Lord. One must accept Jesus' Atonement as payment in full and ask Him to be their Lord and Savior. Open your heart's door today, dear friends. All have been born in sin, but salvation is available to whosoever will humbly come.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

2 Corinthians 6:
1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

All of the scriptures must harmonize, if you are interpreting the scriptures correctly.

Thayer's definition of the word "world" in John 3:16 ; 8) Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
a) The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc). a) used of believer's only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

Is the "world" in John 14:17, the same "world" as you see it in John 3:16? How about John 14:22 & 27? Or John 15:18-19? Or John 16:20? John 17:9? 17:14? Rom 12:2? 1 Cor 2:12?Gal 1:4? Eph 6:12? James 4:4? 2 Pet 2:5? 1 John 2:15? 1 John 5:19? Rev 17:8?

2 Cor 6:1-2, Paul is speaking to disobedient members of the spiritual house of Israel (Isaiah 48, especially verse 8). Paul is quoting God in saying in the day of salvation (deliverance) I have succoured (helped) thee.

2 Cor 6:16-17, These disobedient children of God have been among those worshiper's of idols and is instructing them to come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive (deliver) you.

As I have stated; unless you rightly divide the deliverance (salvation) scriptures, they will tend to, falsely, teach you that eternal salvation is gained by your good works.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

But there is much more to salvation than just deliverance. And in any event, salvation is offered freely to all mankind, since Christ died for the sins of the whole world. And because you brazenly deny that, you cannot speak about salvation at all.

I think it very brazenly when someone belittles God's power, by telling me that God wants to eternally deliver all mankind, but he just does not have the power over mankind to do so.

Is Dan 4:35 in your version of the bible? Or Isaiah 55:11? Or Isiah 46:10-11? Eph 1:11? Heb 6:17?.Rom 8:19?

 

[Soyeong]

The definition of salvation , according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance"

there is a one time eternal deliverance that happened on the cross by Jesus remitting the sins of those that his Father gave him.

There will never be any other eternal deliverance's given as Jesus stated, while on the cross, "it is finished" meaning that the purpose of God sending him to earth as a man was finished on the cross.

If the scriptures are interpreted right, there are many deliverance's (salvation's) for his elect, as they sojourn here in earth, by their good works

Eternal deliverance is given by God's grace. The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to live in transgression of God's law, so there must be an aspect of our salvation that is ongoing in the present. So we have been saved from the penalty of our sin (Ephesians 2:5), we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10).

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is not the case that we are required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and it is not the case that we will do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us be doers of those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from not being doers of those works. Furthermore, in Titus 2:14, it does not say just that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus finished through the cross (Acts 21:20), which again is the aspect of our salvation that is ongoing in the present.

 

[Soyeong]

Where in scripture does it say we can add anything to God's grace by our works?

Nowhere does it say such.

Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It is not that we are adding our works to God's grace, but that God is gracious to us by teaching us to do works. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through His law, and in John 17:3, knowing God and Jesus is eternal life, which again is salvation by grace through faith. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while it denies that our salvation is earned as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, doing good works is nevertheless a central part of our salvation.

 

[p_rehbein]

Any effort to take action on the part of mankind to save himself eternally, is eternal salvation by works, and that will not harmonize with other scriptures.


Mark 16:16, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (delivered). To believe is an action of mankind, so is being baptized, and neither one of them will save (deliver) them eternally, however, both will save (deliver) them from their guilty conscience.

1 Pet 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save (deliver) us not the putting away the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This is a deliverance that the born again elect of God receives as they sojourn here on earth.

To be clear, it is the Holy Spirit baptism that cleanses one from sin. Water baptism does not save us.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Any effort to take action on the part of mankind to save himself eternally, is eternal salvation by works, and that will not harmonize with other scriptures.

Mark 16:16, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (delivered). To believe is an action of mankind, so is being baptized, and neither one of them will save (deliver) them eternally, however, both will save (deliver) them from their guilty conscience.

1 Pet 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save (deliver) us not the putting away the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This is a deliverance that the born again elect of God receives as they sojourn here on earth.

In your original post you said: "The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect." Nothing we do can earn us additional "deliverance" points; even baptism, which we should do if we profess Christ. But nothing, including baptism, can earn us brownie points with God.

"And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’ " Luke 17:7-10

 

[ForestGreenCook]

To be clear, it is the Holy Spirit baptism that cleanses one from sin. Water baptism does not save us.

Unless you are able to understand that salvation, according to Strong's concordance means a deliverance, the scriptures will tend to falsely teach that eternal salvation is accomplished by works.

What do you think the word "saved" means in Mark 16:16? Water baptism does not save a person from their sins, but it does save a person from their guilt.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

In your original post you said: "The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect." Nothing we do can earn us additional "deliverance" points; even baptism, which we should do if we profess Christ. But nothing, including baptism, can earn us brownie points with God.

"And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’ " Luke 17:7-10

I am a firm believer that the scriptures must harmonize, if we are to understand the truth.

Does Luke 17:7-10 harmonize with John 14:21? John 15:10-14? Leviticus 26:3-9? Deut 11:13-15? 1 King 3:14?

 

[ResidentAlien]

I am a firm believer that the scriptures must harmonize, if we are to understand the truth.

Does Luke 17:7-10 harmonize with John 14:21? John 15:10-14? Leviticus 26:3-9? Deut 11:13-15? 1 King 3:14?

I don't know, does it?

 

[Aaron56]

The writer of Hebrews addresses this issue.
He writes:

After writing to "all who will inherit salvation" through the Son who has been revealed he immediately writes this:

"Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away."

It is clear he is writing from a position of being in the grace of God, otherwise there is no threat of "drifting away", there would only be the reality of dying in one's sins.

He then carries on the theme of maturing in Christ: sanctification.

The process of sanctification saves us, delivers us as the OP has stated, not from the dead but from immaturity and a carnal mind. This is NOT salvation to get to heaven. This is, in part, salvation from the corruption of the world and from the wisdom from below.

He continues, still addressing the believers:

"For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food."

This is written to the saved to go to heaven crowd but they are still carnal in their minds, as all children are. They should have obtained, according to the writer, a place of maturity but they have not. They remain as children, "unskilled in the word of righteousness".

This is the key: they are "unskilled". They are not "unlearned". Skill is the demonstration of what is learned. So, it's not that they haven't read the scriptures, it's that they have not put it into practice. They are unable to teach the word because the word is not a part of them and their daily walk.

The writer actually gives this explanation for their lack: "But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

Solid food belongs to those who are full of age, the mature. They became mature by using their grace ("senses exercised") and, because of this, they are able to discern what is the way of the Lord and what is the way of the world ("good and evil").

All children of God will be with the Lord when they die. But maturing in the Lord saves us from the corruption of the world.

This is one example of a salvation that is not about going to heaven when we die.

 

[Magenta]

Unless you are able to understand that salvation, according to Strong's concordance means a deliverance,
the scriptures will tend to falsely teach that eternal salvation is accomplished by works.

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Nowhere does it say such.

Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

should we hear what the lord said about our works and his grace though ? Would it be “ adding to grace “ if we simply heard and believed what he taught about salvstion of would that be faith ?

for instance does anyone need to do this to be saved ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or does grace erase what he said there ?

is this still true ?

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is that all true too or would we be adding to Gods grace for salvstion if we heard and believed his word ?


Is this adding something to grace and salvstion ? Or is it just accepting what our lord said about salvstion ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If someone accept what he said and gets baptized have they added a work and are they now trying to save themselves ? Or did they just hear and believe thier savior ?

if we make something up and say you need to do this and then it’s not something the lord and his apostles said we would be adding works …if we just learn from Jesus and do what he said lol we’re walking in faith