. Dance dance dice dice
Roll your dice take a punt.
Chuck a scripture in or two
Be a Jew
Yep yep yep yep
Yap yap yap
Woof woof woof
TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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Roll your dice take a punt.
Chuck a scripture in or two
Be a Jew
Yep yep yep yep
Yap yap yap
Woof woof woof
that's no different because futurists deny certain prophecies have been fulfilled
Since we happen to be speaking to the book of Revelation:
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their (NONEXISTANT FAITH) works.
Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their (NONEXISTANT FAITH) works.
Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
brither jesus is the son of David not Solomon Jesus is the son of Abraham not Isaac when your looking at the prophetic line what I mean is the promises we’re about Jesus not the natural children
Promises like this one
“And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.”
1 Chronicles 17:11-12 KJV
you find out later this part
“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
Matthew 1:1 KJV
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
Romans 1:1-3
Or like this promise
“and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:16-18 KJV
this seems to be about Isaac bit later you find out
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 27, 29 KJV
Isaac is only a figure of Christ Solomon is only a figure of Christ all those promises are about Jesus the son of Abraham son of israel seed of Judah son of David the messiah
Jesus is the fulfillment of all those promises that’s what the New Testament is about the promised kinfdom of David who himself was a figure of Christ which we see here
prophecy says David would sit forever on the throne but he was a prophet talking of Christ and his throne
“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, ( see Roman’s 1:1-2) he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Those old testement men never lived perfectly they all sinned so the promises couldn’t be fulfilled for an eternal king who wouldn’t die and a kingdom that wouldn’t fall Jesus had to come fulfill those promises he made and he did the son of David has come he’s on his throne in his kingdom
It's sad, not many believers know this. Sin is judged. So, if one never trusts in Christ......they get the opportunity to 'plead their case' with their DEEDS/works.....I never knew you.....
You think that the GWT judgement has already come to pass? Not a chance yap yap buddy.
The great white throne Judgment ?
Is that another blanket statement that closes the lid on the great tribulation already starting.
Yes it is.
You expect there be a 7 year wrath that you won't be here for, or if that 7 year wrath had of happened you wouldn't be here now right.
Tell me in your belief do you get raptured at the start of the 7 year period or during the middle of it.
After the seven years is up would you have to wait a thousand years for your glorified body
.I would like to know seriously
We can go just about anywhere and get lifestyle sermons, potlucks and the dog and pony shows.......But we have to make a concerted effort nowadays to find a body/assembly that teaches His doctrine.........And this guy does it. Great resource brother. The assemblies that teach truth today are far and few between.
Agree. Chronister is a gem. I email him on occasion. He has taken ill of late tragically. Please pray for him and his family.
One of the "reasonings-put-forth-by-men" that people read [/listen to, etc] (but which I believe is flawed reasoning), is that the word/phrase used in both Rev1:19c and 3:10--the Greek word "mello [G3195]" in SOME versions translated as "is about [to]"--to their thinking means that the events being spoken of must take place relatively SOON (i.e. concluding in the 70ad events) because of this G3195 word used in these two verses;
however, if one looks further down in the Strong's explanation (where Rev1:19c and 3:10 are actually being covered/addressed), it says this there:
[quoting from BlueLetterBible, under Strong's heading]
c. as in Greek writings from Homer down, of those things which will come to pass (or which one will do or suffer) by fixed necessity or divine appointment (German sollen (are to be, destined to be, etc.)); with present infinitive active: Matthew 16:27; Matthew 17:12; Matthew 20:22; Luke 9:31; John 6:71; John 7:39; John 11:51; John 12:33; John 18:32; Acts 20:38; Acts 26:22, 23; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 11:8; Revelation 2:10a; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 8:13, etc.; ἡλιάς ὁ μέλλων ἔρχεσθαι, Matthew 11:14; ὁ μέλλων λυτροῦσθαι, Luke 24:12; κρίνειν, 2 Timothy 4:1 (WH marginal reading κρῖναι); with present infinitive passive: Matthew 17:22; Mark 13:4; Luke 9:44; Luke 19:11; Luke 21:36; Acts 26:22; Romans 4:24; 1 Thessalonians 3:4; James 2:12; Revelation 1:19 (Tdf. γενέσθαι); Revelation 6:11; τῆς μελλούσης ἀποκαλύπτεσθαι δόξης, 1 Peter 5:1
-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3195/kjv/tr/0-1/
[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
So, this can legit be: "things that are SURE to take place... [/DESTINED to take place]"... (because they are prophesied to do so!
Hello!)Not that these must take place "soon" (just that they must take place "AFTER THESE THINGS"
[i.e. the "future" aspects of the Book, as I've been pointing out]).[also @Thunderrr-mental and @Cameron143 and any others purporting a 70ad fulfillment all prophecy (or most?)]
^ To go along with that ^ ,
Rev1:1 - "MUST [G1163 - dei]"
Rev4:1 - "MUST [G1163 - dei]"
Rev1:19c - "SHALL [G3195 - mello - ([is] SURE / DESTINED [to])]"
Rev3:10 - "SHALL [G3195 - mello - ([is] SURE / DESTINED [to])]"
[ ^ all making the same point ... They "MUST" and are "SURE to," because "prophesied" to do so! That is how "prophecies" work!]
Rev1:1 - "MUST [G1163 - dei]"
Rev4:1 - "MUST [G1163 - dei]"
Rev1:19c - "SHALL [G3195 - mello - ([is] SURE / DESTINED [to])]"
Rev3:10 - "SHALL [G3195 - mello - ([is] SURE / DESTINED [to])]"
[ ^ all making the same point
... They "MUST" and are "SURE to," because "prophesied" to do so! That is how "prophecies" work!]
One of the "reasonings-put-forth-by-men" that people read [/listen to, etc] (but which I believe is flawed reasoning), is that the word/phrase used in both Rev1:19c and 3:10--the Greek word "mello [G3195]" in SOME versions translated as "is about [to]"--to their thinking means that the events being spoken of must take place relatively SOON (i.e. concluding in the 70ad events) because of this G3195 word used in these two verses;
however, if one looks further down in the Strong's explanation (where Rev1:19c and 3:10 are actually being covered/addressed), it says this there:
[quoting from BlueLetterBible, under Strong's heading]
c. as in Greek writings from Homer down, of those things which will come to pass (or which one will do or suffer) by fixed necessity or divine appointment (German sollen (are to be, destined to be, etc.)); with present infinitive active: Matthew 16:27; Matthew 17:12; Matthew 20:22; Luke 9:31; John 6:71; John 7:39; John 11:51; John 12:33; John 18:32; Acts 20:38; Acts 26:22, 23; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 11:8; Revelation 2:10a; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 8:13, etc.; ἡλιάς ὁ μέλλων ἔρχεσθαι, Matthew 11:14; ὁ μέλλων λυτροῦσθαι, Luke 24:12; κρίνειν, 2 Timothy 4:1 (WH marginal reading κρῖναι); with present infinitive passive: Matthew 17:22; Mark 13:4; Luke 9:44; Luke 19:11; Luke 21:36; Acts 26:22; Romans 4:24; 1 Thessalonians 3:4; James 2:12; Revelation 1:19 (Tdf. γενέσθαι); Revelation 6:11; τῆς μελλούσης ἀποκαλύπτεσθαι δόξης, 1 Peter 5:1
-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3195/kjv/tr/0-1/
[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
So, this can legit be: "things that are SURE to take place... [/DESTINED to take place]"... (because they are prophesied to do so!
Not that these must take place "soon" (just that they must take place "AFTER THESE THINGS"
[also @Thunderrr-mental and @Cameron143 and any others purporting a 70ad fulfillment all prophecy (or most?)]
I agree it is saying that it has not taken place yet but will in the future(arbitrary to when the Revelation is given). Then so in Revelation 17 where the angel says five were,one is and....ect., it sets the relative timing(at the time the Revelation was seen) and that then is the point in time where the the world was in prophecies fulfillment's (at that time), that the angel showed to John.... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm
Zeph 1~~One of the "reasonings-put-forth-by-men" that people read [/listen to, etc] (but which I believe is flawed reasoning), is that the word/phrase used in both Rev1:19c and 3:10--the Greek word "mello [G3195]" in SOME versions translated as "is about [to]"--to their thinking means that the events being spoken of must take place relatively SOON (i.e. concluding in the 70ad events) because of this G3195 word used in these two verses;
however, if one looks further down in the Strong's explanation (where Rev1:19c and 3:10 are actually being covered/addressed), it says this there:
[quoting from BlueLetterBible, under Strong's heading]
c. as in Greek writings from Homer down, of those things which will come to pass (or which one will do or suffer) by fixed necessity or divine appointment (German sollen (are to be, destined to be, etc.)); with present infinitive active: Matthew 16:27; Matthew 17:12; Matthew 20:22; Luke 9:31; John 6:71; John 7:39; John 11:51; John 12:33; John 18:32; Acts 20:38; Acts 26:22, 23; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 11:8; Revelation 2:10a; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 8:13, etc.; ἡλιάς ὁ μέλλων ἔρχεσθαι, Matthew 11:14; ὁ μέλλων λυτροῦσθαι, Luke 24:12; κρίνειν, 2 Timothy 4:1 (WH marginal reading κρῖναι); with present infinitive passive: Matthew 17:22; Mark 13:4; Luke 9:44; Luke 19:11; Luke 21:36; Acts 26:22; Romans 4:24; 1 Thessalonians 3:4; James 2:12; Revelation 1:19 (Tdf. γενέσθαι); Revelation 6:11; τῆς μελλούσης ἀποκαλύπτεσθαι δόξης, 1 Peter 5:1
-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3195/kjv/tr/0-1/
[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
So, this can legit be: "things that are SURE to take place... [/DESTINED to take place]"... (because they are prophesied to do so!
Not that these must take place "soon" (just that they must take place "AFTER THESE THINGS"
[also @Thunderrr-mental and @Cameron143 and any others purporting a 70ad fulfillment all prophecy (or most?)]
14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD' wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.