TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[Thunderrr-mental]

I would say yes because that would make it the "Holy Place" where the Abomination of Desolation would take place. Plus Ezra, Haggai, Zechariah, and more confirm that this was His temple.

there's two temples

One of them Solomons who had seven hundred wives

Second one called the house of thiefs By Jesus.

Also owned by king Herod who wanted Jesus dead

So do they sound like the lords temple

 

[Jimbone]

there's two temples

One of them Solomons who had seven hundred wives

Second one called the house of thiefs By Jesus.

Also owned by king Herod who wanted Jesus dead

So do they sound like the lords temple

No......, and/but the temple and Israel fell under judgement. Was David prefect, does that adulterous murderer sound like a "man after Gods own heart? How about Egyptian killing Moses? I don't think we get to go back and "figure out" what God "really meant" when He said Solomon would built His temple. It was God's temple. He said so.

 

[douggg]

oh I have addressed it many times

In what post # have you address the 1290 days and the 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 ?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

No......, and/but the temple and Israel fell under judgement. Was David prefect, does that adulterous murderer sound like a "man after Gods own heart? How about Egyptian killing Moses? I don't think we get to go back and "figure out" what God "really meant" when He said Solomon would built His temple. It was God's temple. He said so.

yes that's why I said once apon time it may have been the lords temple 😊

 

[cv5]

Exactly what I thought. Have a good day.

Here you go buddy. Mighty fine scholarship. Of a sort that you should find extremely interesting.

Or not.....

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/series/2032/?sb=oldest

 

[douggg]

Second one called the house of thiefs By Jesus.

Matthew 21:
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

What does verse 12 call that temple ?

 

[Cameron143]

of course chapter 21 came before 23 that wasn’t at all my point but I’ll let you figure it out sorry bro

Do consider Jesus death changes the words of the testament ….

“For a testament is of force after men are dead:

otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:17‬ ‭

I understand. And, yes, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus changed everything. That's the reason there was so much turmoil in the 1st century. The course and trajectory of history changed irrevocably and eternally. I'm with you 100%. And I'm glad you still know 21 comes before 23.
The point under consideration is just a personal one. I wouldn't have brought it up except that the verse was quoted and I could have simply disregarded that portion of the post. But I expect others to address my posts fairly and in totality, so I was giving the same courtesy. And mostly, I'm not settled on how that particular verse fits into the current discussion.

 

[Jimbone]

there's two temples

One of them Solomons who had seven hundred wives

Second one called the house of thiefs By Jesus.

Also owned by king Herod who wanted Jesus dead

So do they sound like the lords temple

And they were both foretold and served the exact purpose they were supposed to serve. Pointing to Jesus and the coming Kingdom of God, AND end of the age and judgement on the covenant breaking Jews.
Have you read the Bible? Did you ever notice the strict adherence to the Law and Gods commandments they always kept without fail?
What exactly would you say a "Gods temple" would have to be to qualify? People-less for sure.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes!!, If you read the same part in Luke where Jesus mentions the AoD in Matthew, he says it differently. He doesn't say "When you see the Abomination of Desolation", instead to a more gentile audience he writes "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Kind of like EXACTLY what happen in 70ad. Hmmm. So was their house left to them desolate as well? I do think it was.

amen the thing is without a temple they can’t perform thier covenant rites and rituals and sacrifices or atonements required by thier covenant

just to quote what you said

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I understand. And, yes, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus changed everything. That's the reason there was so much turmoil in the 1st century. The course and trajectory of history changed irrevocably and eternally. I'm with you 100%. And I'm glad you still know 21 comes before 23.
The point under consideration is just a personal one. I wouldn't have brought it up except that the verse was quoted and I could have simply disregarded that portion of the post. But I expect others to address my posts fairly and in totality, so I was giving the same courtesy. And mostly, I'm not settled on how that particular verse fits into the current discussion.

indeed brother I think you’ll find a circular pattern it’s sort of what I found before sometimes

you are a great person to discuss with and a good example of respect and how to discuss indeed

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Matthew 21:
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

What does verse 12 call that temple ?

you only want theese interpretations to mean one thing, so i can't answer what you already think you know,

As that seems to be your direction of asking questions you already have the answer for.

 

[cv5]

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Shoddy scholarship ALWAYS omits those pesky "UNTIL"'s.
Then come the heresies like ticks on a dog.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

And they were both foretold and served the exact purpose they were supposed to serve. Pointing to Jesus and the coming Kingdom of God, AND end of the age and judgement on the covenant breaking Jews.
Have you read the Bible? Did you ever notice the strict adherence to the Law and Gods commandments they always kept without fail?
What exactly would you say a "Gods temple" would have to be to qualify? People-less for sure.

I have read it more than ever this last year but in a away I never thought I would 😂.


I consider my self to have a good memory but obviously I'm struggling to see views I don't recognise.

I concentrate more on the promise of the father when reading the bible not the speculation of his promise. 😊

 

[douggg]

you only want theese interpretations to mean one thing, so i can't answer what you already think you know,

As that seems to be your direction of asking questions you already have the answer for.

I was not asking the question for you to enlighten me. I was asking the question for you to confess that it was the temple of God - with what the text says directly.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Shoddy scholarship ALWAYS omits those pesky "UNTIL"'s.
Then come the heresies like ticks on a dog.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

just a sign of the tribulation getting greater but it doesn't mean where not in great tribulation

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I was not asking the question for you to enlighten me. I was asking the question for you to confess that it was the temple of God - with what the text says directly.

there's been hundreds of temples destroyed in the middle east lately

By the account of the bible it was a person from iraq who brought the word of God to the Jews.

Then it's possible those Iraq people split from the Jews for worshiping the beast.

So really I have many directions to discuss


But never do I get to discuss them

 

[Cameron143]

indeed brother I think you’ll find a circular pattern it’s sort of what I found before sometimes

you are a great person to discuss with and a good example of respect and how to discuss indeed

Kind words brother. Thanks. In honor of all the circling going on, I'm circling them back to you

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

It's not that Johan didn't want to listen, it was a case of him being scared to go and preach to Nineveh a sworn enemy of The Jews.



The people on the boat where angry with Jonah because A storm had came.

God sent the storm because he wanted Jonah back.

Jonah was thrown overboard, and God rescued him with a whale.

So God had sent the storm, and layed it on the hearts of the people on the boat to chuck him over

God kept him in the whale for 3 days. And when he arose from the whale, some say he rose with a new spirit, brave and full of courage to go and preach the word 😊.

That's how I read it 😂

He didn't obey the word of the Lord and was swallowed up into the belly of the beast for 3 days of tribulation.
Even at our birth we are just like Jonah.We are 'thrown' out of the Ark and swallowed up into the belly of the beast and split out on the shore.
Out of our mothers bellies flowed Living waters.Us,Gods witnesses.

 

[cv5]

It's not that Johan didn't want to listen, it was a case of him being scared to go and preach to Nineveh a sworn enemy of The Jews.

He did not want to go because he hated the Assyrians who were killing his countrymen.
He wanted God to judge and destroy them.
God had other plans....

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

He didn't obey the word of the Lord and was swallowed up into the belly of the beast for 3 days of tribulation.
Even at our birth we are just like Jonah.We are 'thrown' out of the Ark and swallowed up into the belly of the beast and split out on the shore.
Out of our mothers bellies flowed Living waters.Us,Gods witnesses.

true you could say him running away was not obeying to, i accept that, I like the story of Jonah it's one of my favourites 😊

It's probably the first story I heard as a boy I know it well.

The ark really is a big discussion.

I consider noah to be a gate keeper for the ark between this world and the heavens 😊

A bit like Peter really