TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[Cameron143]

Here is some Romans for you buddy:

Rom 16:17
Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

Just doing my job @Cameron143 just doing my job.......

Your job is to love others as Christ has loved you? Not so sure you are doing your job.
But feel free to actually show me the connection of Romans 11 to what comes before it in the previous 10 chapters. And since you were so kind to wait for my answer earlier, I'm glad to wait on you to answer as well.

 

[Kroogz]

when he wrote revelation has been a debate since the Bible existed there are two main schools of thought and niether side has proof it’s just a matter of what a person believes and the information they have about early ad history

That's funny. In other words," I don't care if the truth hits me between the eyes, I ain't changing my mind!"
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Irenaeus
Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.
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And to top it off, Polycarp and Irenaeus and all of their contemporaries had every chance to say, " John was RIGHT! The whole book of revelation was fulfilled just a few short years ago, the eye witnesses and history scholars have written many,many books on this once in a life time great showing from our God !!!! We have many more things to write to prove to the world that it truly did happen!"

It would be a doctrine of the Church today if It did happen. It would be a truth taught on the scale of the Gospel.

 

[Kroogz]

As far as the rapture goes, it's always spoken of as imminent. But it was written to 1st century Jews largely. It was only imminent to them.

Paul was teaching the rapture to gentile churches 2000 miles away from Jerusalem. John missed the rapture. And apparently other saved new testament writers.

It's getting to be quite the ssttttrrreeeetttcccchhh for me.

 

[cv5]

Your job is to love others as Christ has loved you? Not so sure you are doing your job.
But feel free to actually show me the connection of Romans 11 to what comes before it in the previous 10 chapters. And since you were so kind to wait for my answer earlier, I'm glad to wait on you to answer as well.

Since when is coddling and peddling heresies meritorious and deserving of love and honor?

 

[Cameron143]

Paul was teaching the rapture to gentile churches 2000 miles away from Jerusalem. John missed the rapture. And apparently other saved new testament writers.

It's getting to be quite the ssttttrrreeeetttcccchhh for me.

I understand. It's easier to believe he was talking about 2,000 years later. That's not a stretch. I wonder what they will be saying in the year 4,000...any day now.

 

[Cameron143]

Since when is coddling and peddling heresies meritorious and deserving of love and honor?

Hmmmm. So if you met someone from the Islamic faith, would that be your attitude?
You are very quick to exonerate your sin and accuse others. A wonderful portrait of Jesus.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Since when is coddling and peddling heresies meritorious and deserving of love and honor?

that's providing he has known he has been, or hes had a chance to change his mind in certain ideas.

Just sayin

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

And @cv5 that's also providing not understanding the rapture is a heresy

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Hmmmm. So if you met someone from the Islamic faith, would that be your attitude?
You are very quick to exonerate your sin and accuse others. A wonderful portrait of Jesus.

pride is not a sin in the eyes of the prideful.

Pointless to point it out buddy.

They just get more prideful.

But if you have great tolerance In pointing it out and moving on to the next subject then by all means.

I'm getting better with that here 😂

But anyhow talking about islamists i would say I heard your ancestors saved Mary and Jesus from king herod.

Then I would ask them what Jesus means to them 😂

 

[douggg]

I understand your chart and the scripture you base it on. What I don't understand why you believe it doesn't apply to the people it was written to

Assuming you are referring to the Thessalonians in 2Thessalonians2, Paul told them that the day of the Lord would not start until the act of 2Thessalonains2:4 takes place. And therefore the Thessalonians should not to be concerned by rumors that the great tribulation had begun and that they had missed the rapture.

Or why in the same passage when it makes reference to the time frame of the desolation being armies doesn't apply to the armies that surrounded Jerusalem in the time of those to whom it is written. In other words, you have done an excellent job telling what the verses might mean if they were written to us today, but you have ignored what they actually mean to the people they are actually written to.

My explanation is to us today because the rapture/resurrection has not happen yet, but will happen soon according to the parable of the fig tree generation.

2Thessalonians2:4 when it happens is an act by the little horn person, who has become the Antichrist. The transgression of desolation act is time of the end.

The first century is long gone, Cameron. By 20/20 hindsight, the rapture/resurrection event is still to take place. We are living in that day.

 

[cv5]

Hmmmm. So if you met someone from the Islamic faith, would that be your attitude?

My attitude would be reflected in my actions. Which would be to inform them that their religion does not have a Savior or salvation. In other words informing them of God's ultimate work of love which is the epitome of loving your neighbor.

As for dealing with heretics.......the image of Jesus with a whip of cords comes to mind. As does His seven letters to seven churches in Revelation. How is that for a wonderful portrait of Jesus?

And you thought that providing safe harbor and succor to empty religions and heretics was love?

 

[cv5]

Assuming you are referring to the Thessalonians in 2Thessalonians2, Paul told them that the day of the Lord would not start until the act of 2Thessalonains2:4 takes place. And therefore the Thessalonians should not to be concerned by rumors that the great tribulation had begun and that they had missed the rapture.


My explanation is to us today because the rapture/resurrection has not happen yet, but will happen soon according to the parable of the fig tree generation.

2Thessalonians2:4 when it happens is an act by the little horn person, who has become the Antichrist. The transgression of desolation act is time of the end.

The first century is long gone, Cameron. By 20/20 hindsight, the rapture/resurrection event is still to take place. We are living in that day.

Cameron's trash can is filled to overflowing with page after page of passages that don't fit his opinions and bogus continuation theology.

2nd Thessalonians 2 is long gone and is way at the bottom of the pile.

 

[cv5]

the rapture is a heresy

Declaring that the rapture is a heresy........is a heresy.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

2 Kings 18:4
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

The brazen serpent which Mose's was instructed to make that was the image of fallen man,was worshiped by the Israelite's,and they also prayed to it by burning incense to it.

Psalms 58:3-4
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear.

 

[cv5]

You are very quick to exonerate your sin and accuse others.

Does this ring a bell?

Rom 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

And @cv5 that's also providing not understanding the rapture is a heresy

Declaring that the rapture is a heresy........is a heresy.

I guess you like taking away from what i said 😊

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Cameron's trash can is filled to overflowing with page after page of passages that don't fit his opinions and bogus continuation theology.

2nd Thessalonians 2 is long gone and is way at the bottom of the pile.

nope his continuous theology is based on covenants following on and future events happening in the past.

And him trying to piece the rapture all together and doing a study and expressing his views and being tolerant of your remarks

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Psalms 58:3-4
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

[cv5]

And him trying to piece the rapture all together and doing a study and expressing his views and being tolerant of your remarks

Yes, we know that you are new around here. Because us old-timers know better by now.
What is going down in thread alone debunks your assertion.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the prophecy indicates when the final Judgment comes

The sleeping in Christ will be raised to life.

If there is no more rapture to come for the sleeping how come we can't see our loved ones

same reason we can’t see this guy or Jesus

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:43‬ ‭

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t see heaven but we never could but he can see us

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

flesh can’t see spirit